Simple questions for Trump supporters

I do not believe they care in the slightest to damage they are causing to the United States. People on other countries only know what they say - true or false.

 

I guess with only 100+ threads on the topic of Russia, you decided it your duty to try to derail this thread to another Russian topic thread.

Lucky for us and President Trump that he isn't the president of France, huh?

Polls also show that Europeans do not hate Russia even close to as much as American Democrats do. They seem to not agree with you and other Democrats to reboot and escalate the 70+ year old Cold War against the extinct USSR as the Democratic Party, global elites, neocons and MSM corporate propaganda outlets demand.

 

So, what are you saying? Trump should avoid the press? Reporters ask questions of interest to Americans or they wouldn't be reporters. You want a President who will not talk to reporters?

If so, you got one. He hides in the White House and press conferences are a joke. You are happy with this?

 

Have you been following along with regard to Junior meeting with a Russian? Have you read Goldstone's email to Junior? There are five investigations into Trump's campaign staff, one by the special prosecutor, and four in the Republican-controlled Congress.

And you think the media is causing damage to the United States???

You can't possibly be that dense.

 

Of course it is not.

It is not intended to be.

It is an attempt to go on the offensive. (Plus, it may well be "offensive" to many of his opponents. But that, of course, is to use the word in a somewhat different sense.)

 

That's because the gop donks are actively working against him.

 

None of this has anything to do the Democrats.

Junior's collusion with the Russian had nothing to do with Democrats.

Trump being investigated by the special prosecutor has nothing to do with Democrats.

Trump being investigated by four Congressional committees controlled by Republicans has nothing to do with Democrats.

I'm guessing you voted for Trump. His fans tend to be uninformed and make up things as they go along.

 

Tell me, what good are you talking about?

Healthcare? Nope.

Tax reform? Nope.

Infrastructure funding? Nope.

Building his wall paid by Mexico? Nope.

Raising the debt ceiling? Nope.

Passing a budget? Nope.

 

Geez! Trump hasn't held a press conference since February. Obama averaged two a month.

The White House is holding press conferences. Not Trump. They are not the issue. Trump's fear of the White House press corps is.

Let me guess. You voted for Trump. Sheesh!

 

His not playing their "gotcha" game has everything to do with the Democrats--and their cynical, Chuck Schumer-type approach (which is far from inquisitive--though perhaps inquisitional).

The term, "collusion," surely implies something nefarious.

Do you have any proof of something nefarious about his meeting with any Russian?

Ah, yes: an investigation in search of a crime...

Well, I certainly did not vote for that career politician--who wished only to advance her own interests, while pretending that she was working for America's interests--attached to the other party.

You probably will not win a lot of brownie points (except among dyed-in-the-wool Democrats) by berating those with whom you do not agree.

But I guess I can understand that you are still butthurt--more than eight months after the presidential election--that your favored candidate lost...

 

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Trump had a press conference just this week with Macron.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-marcon-press-conference-in-paris-france-live-updates/

Trump has averaged 2.2 press conferences a month. Obama only 1.78. I don't think that's a significant difference, though.

And, no, I didn't vote for Trump (I voted third party). I think Trump is an amoral man who has no place in elected office. However, I do like truth, and per the American Presidency Project of the University of California, Santa Barbara, as of June 20, 2017, Trump has averaged 2.2 press conferences per month.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/newsconferences.php

 

There is a reason why Trump won't face reporters. He doesn't know which version of an event to tell them. For example, the June 2016 meeting arranged by Junior. Every day we learn of a new version.

When are the Trumps going to stop lying about the meeting arranged by Donald, Jr., for the expressed purpose of collaborating with the Russian government?

As it turns there was a fifth person at the meeting. The Associated Press reported Friday that a Russian-American lobbyist named Rinat Akhmetshin also attended the June 2016 meeting with Junior, Kushner, Manafort, and the Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.

Wait a minute. There was a sixth person in the room. Junior's friend, Rob Goldstone, who sent the extremely damaging emails also attended that meeting.

Gosh darn it, no, that is wrong, too. There were eight at the meeting. We can add a translator and a representative of the Russian family who had asked Goldstone to set up the meeting.

Junior's story, backed by his dad, changes daily, and Republican lawmakers who want to work on the important stuff, like the Senate healthcare bill are getting disgusted with the administration. Aides in the White House admit they are confused with the different interpretations of the meeting. One member of the staff said the White House staff was paralyzed.

Leading conservative columnist and Fox News contributor, Charles Krauthammer, is equally disgusted. He said the "Russian scandal has entered a new phase, and there's no going back."

Krauthammer has long been a skeptic of charges of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, but that he was "open to empirical evidence."

Following a revelation this week about emails between Donald Trump Jr. and a business associate who helped arrange a meeting with a Kremlin-connected lawyer, Krauthammer wrote that the "evidence is now shown."

"This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks," Krauthammer wrote. "This is an email chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself."

An obvious question needs to be asked. Who is leaking this stuff? It has to be someone very close to Trump.

Or Junior. My guess, a Russian operative named Rob Goldstone. For Putin, Trump has served his purpose. Time to create discord in American politics.

 

I am not a Democrat. I don't even like Democrats. I am not responsible for what they say or write. I am only responsible for what I write. A person with average intellect would understand that. It had to be explained to you.

Sure do. Goldstone's email said, "The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

Junior gleefully set up that meeting with a Russian operative. That is both nefarious and an act of collusion on the part of Trump's campaign staff since his campaign manager and son-in-law also attended. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

That is one way of putting it. Investigations generally search for some sort of crime. Does this come as a shock to you?

Well, you must give credit where credit is due. I nailed it. You did vote for Trump. Gosh, did I hurt your feelings. You want respect. Don't say foolish things.

Like your last sentence. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a conservative, not a Democrat, and I certainly am not "butthurt" over something that took place nine months ago. I am having the time of my life writing about Trump. He is a very funny man, seriously, he is.

 

I don't count diplomatic press conferences where he shares the stage with another world leader and reporters from other nations with their issues. Such press conferences are heavily controlled and of short duration. They are little more than a photo op.

I count only press conferences in the White House with the White House press corps. There hasn't been one since February because Trump fears such press conferences. It is obvious and can't be denied.

2.2/Mo are of the diplomatic kind.

I apologize for falsely accusing you of voting for Trump. That is a very serious charge. You threw away your vote on a third party candidate. That means you and others like you are responsible for Trump. That's almost as bad as voting for him.

 

If you say so.

Bernie Sanders is not really a Democrat, either. (He is really more of a democratic socialist, who--out of mere convenience--has recently called himself a "Democrat."

So perhaps you, too, are a bit to the left of even the Democratic Party...

I am hardly shocked--shocked!--that the Russian government preferred that Donald Trump should be elected president, rather than Hillary Clinton.

(By the way, it was President Trump himself, who--about a week ago--released the contents of this and related e-mails.)

Wikipedia says that "[t]he meeting was regarded by some [those to the left of center?] as evidence of an attempted collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

I think that "shock" is the wrong word here.

Rather, it strikes me as evidence of blind partisanship--absent which, there would be no investigation.

Well, you are correct. Sorta-kinda, anyway.

I really did not cast a vote for Donald Trump, so much as I cast a vote against Hillary Clinton.

I hope that does not cause enormous offense to you...

I will take your word for it.

If this is true, then you obviously have disdain for Donald Trump's brand of conservatism, as some other conservatives also do. (Rich Lowry, George Will, and Charles Krauthammer leap to mind here.)

And yes, President Trump is a conservative of sorts. (It is true that he ran as a populist; but he has governed as a conservative--and one who gets things done, at that.)

 

Poster Balto wrote this OP. It is excellent, and he spoke my mind.

[The role of the media] is to investigate all, and any incidents that occur during the current administration, regardless if one believes it is deserved or not.

The "mainstream media" NBC, FOX, ABC and CBS, in this case are to hold Trump accountable, whether its the man himself, Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, or Trump's children. I always find it humorous when conservatives say Fox isn't part of the media, that's like saying pigs can fly. There's no logic to that statement at all. Fox News can advertise itself as detached from the "mainstream media" or MSM, but the fact is, Fox News uses the same cameras, the same microphones, and the same broadcasting equipment MSNBC does.

But more on point, by denying the role of the media, you are allowing injustice to silence justice. We need to focus on the current administration, not the past administration or what happened during the past administration (such as the deflections involving Obama and Hillary when conservatives can't defend Trump's actions, or come up with rationale for such). So, in short:

1. Trump will continue to be investigated by the media.
2. Questions will be asked, and continue to be asked until there are clear answers.
3. Trump's agenda will be challenged from both points of view, whether its the travel bans or the wall. Such drastic measures will be questioned, and expect sensible rationale for such.

 

Bravo, well said. You spoke my mind.

It is interesting to note that only 14% of Trump supporters trust the media, according to Gallup.

It is also possible that Republicans think less of the media as a result of Trump's sharp criticisms of the press. Republicans who say they have trust in the media has plummeted to 14% from 32% a year ago. This is easily the lowest confidence among Republicans in 20 years.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

In other words, distrust in the media is a self-fulfilling prophecy. When another devastating story involving Trump hits the MSM like the collusion that took place in June 2016, Trump fans scream "fake News" in defiance, claiming the MSM can't be trusted. They are the ones who say the MSM can't be trusted. Thus. their oft repeated cries of "fake news" is totally meaningless.

 

Americans are sick and tired of the braid dead lefties .

 

Americans are sick and tired of lefties and the continued BS.

 

I like Sanders even less than Democrats. You continue to make a fool of yourself. You are trying to tell me I am something that I am not. That is pretty stupid. In another post you grieved because I insulted your intelligence. If you want respect, quit acting stupid.

No, you are wrong. It was Donald Trump, Jr., who disclosed the emails. He did so on Tuesday.

Trump doesn't have a brand of conservatism. Why? Because he has no political convictions. You said it yourself. He ran as a populist, but now he is claiming to be a conservative. He belied all his populist promises to his fans, and he has immersed himself in the swamp rather than draining it. Prior to running for President, Trump was a New York Democrat who supported Hillary in 2008. He contributed to the Democratic Party right up to the moment he announced his Republican candidacy.

He changes his mind like he changes socks. He changed his story several times about meeting Putin prior to their bilateral meeting Friday. On Sunday morning he bragged about the cyber warfare deal in made with Putin. The Sunday talk shows were brutal about the deal. Sunday evening he changed his mind. He tweeted, "The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't."

His political record and the cyber security issue are illustrative of the fact that Trump has no firm beliefs. On the other hand, the men you mentioned are true conservatives. Charles Krauthammer is my favorite columnist and Fox News contributor. A true conservative would not be a supporter of Trump because Trump is not a conservative.

Forget that all opposition to Trump comes from Democrats. That is another false assumption of yours. There are plenty of Republicans and conservatives who oppose Trump. I know you don't want to believe that because it calls into question your own conservative beliefs.

It should. Are you really a conservative? Or are you just a Trump fan? The two are mutually exclusive.

 

This is probably the only time France and Britain have agreed on anything for years.

 

He's a coward. No mystery.

 

It's an adolescent, fairly ineffective method of communication.

 

It's so ineffective he only won the White House.