Since Biden, DOJ and many desperately want to restore women's reproductive rights

If Prez and DOJ are so hot to return USA to abortion being a fundamental right, couldn't they do something really nuclear like actually temper or completely withhold the federal funding/subsidies normally granted hospitals located in States where abortions are now banned? These liberals haven't done much substantial arm-twisting yet so I was just wondering. Of course the headway in Idaho is noted but that's not sweeping.

 

I don't think it would work.

 

Yes, let's make sure that everyone in conservative Republican states dies when they need medical treatment.

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Sounds like justice.

 

No, the powers-that-be would just need to threaten to withhold funding until the renegade States comply with the national norm in health care. I mean, States would be given a choice, with a grace period to decide and each would need, I guess, to convene special legislative sessions and enact some reasonable easements restoring sanity to their healthcare.

 

And what happens when their bluff is called?

Want to dig that hole a little deeper?

 

Not a bluff! States that fail to reform their evil ways lose some healthcare funding/subsidies. Conservatives are filthy rich so they can make up for the loss by passing the hat around, fer chrissake.

 

Yes....so evil to try and save human lives.

 

No, what's really going on is OUR Supreme Court put (evangelical ultra-rightwing) religious rights above fundamental human rights and AmeriCAN Women LOST ... bigly.

 

That's the lie they tell people.
It's actually just control of woman, cause once the babies are born they stop caring.
It's doesn't save babies it makes sure more are born into ICU care through neglect.

 

Irrelevant to what I responded to or what I said. Nothing I responded to had anything to do with SCOTUS judges. So try addressing what I actually said and responded to instead of spouting propaganda talking points.

 

OK, you're wrong.

 

I'm lying to people? Please prove it. Also prove that I stop caring once they are born. Also prove your last point while you're at it.

 

So I'm wrong to point out that trying to save human lives is not evil? Got it.

 

I'm not sure that makes sense. It generally isn't the hospitals seeking to restrict access to abortions, it's the state legislatures. Punishing the hospitals (and potentially their patients) over something that is largely out of their control wouldn't be right.

 

So you know, when I I've found your reply rude, unfounded or inflammatory or just not worth replying to, and have stopped reading your posts in the thread.

 

This is funny-- I had assumed, from the OP, that this was merely a (bad) attempt by someone on the Right, to bait the Left; but you were actually serious! I'm sorry to inform you that, though I am Pro-Choice (at least within limits), withholding money from hospitals, is very poor form, to say the least. So I wholely agree with Straight Ahead's actual meaning, in his post's sarcastic opening. For that matter, I also agree that, in his closing, he is pointing out that such a plan as yours, would go over like a lead balloon, as they say, causing much more backlash from the common citizenry, than would it receive praise or approval, from them.

 

Then maybe you should have said something other than "Ok, your wrong.", because you obviously felt it was worth replying to, and there is nothing rude, unfounded, or inflammatory about my post. So not sure why you used that emoji? I get that you can't really argue against what I said. So perhaps that's it?

 

Federal funding is ubiquitous. If not hospitals then choose a different target for sanctions ..something that States will be markedly forlorn to lose. And I don't necessarily agree that withholding of hospital subsidies hurts the hospital. The hospital can up their fees to compensate, or seek other sources; OR the State legislature could bend to the will of the powers-that-be (which are largely pro-choice). But maybe my plan is flawed because it may need an act of Congress to withhold the subsidies and affect the arm-twisting. Or maybe it only requires an exec order, not sure. Either way, once Dems trounce in the mid-terms it ought be easy sailing to get the job done. In fact, a Democratically-leaning Congress could just go ahead and restore Row v Wade as federal law. What we have now is highly unsettling and as Prez and DOJ have already expressed, they are and should be continuing to fight this Dobbs decision change tooth-and-nail.

 

Just who are the powers that be in your world? (from now on I'm shortening that to TPTB)

 

I don't think that's why it'd be a bad idea (though it probably wouldn't help). The issue is that there is no clear reason it would actually be beneficial or that it wouldn't cause some indirect harm. And since you seem focused on the political rather than the practical, such a move could (and inevitably would) be spun in a very negative light.

Something like that might be viable, though probably not easy, even if they managed to get a working majority in both houses. I'd suggest the better (or at least additional) line would be to accept the states rights principle and support campaigning to overturn or prevent excessive restrictions. In those states where the general population is somewhat more moderate on the issue than their state representatives, it could even be an opportunity for Democrats to win over some swaying voters.

 

TPTB are the branches minus the now-co-opted judiciary = Exec and Congress

 

You're so right; indirect harm can be game-changing.

 

You don't understand the insidious nature of these anti-abortion laws, nor do you understand how hospitals get federal money.

On the first point, many of these abortion rollbacks include stipulations for going after doctors & nurses who assist in an abortion. That's not a money issue, that is a state vs federal protection of health workers.

The only federal money hospitals receive is through CMS for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and while there are currently laws in the books to cut off funding for not providing mandated CMS covered services, it does not offer any protections for healthcare professionals in performing those services against these new anti-abortion laws.

What is needed is to codify RvW into law, and the only way to do that is to vote and give Democrats the majority in both houses.

 

Uhh the democrats have a majority in both houses and have this entire time. So why don’t they go ahead and do that?