Single mothers - breeders in crime and misery

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  1. Captain Obvious

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    It’s no secret that the war on poverty destroyed the poorer family units. Especially the black family.. Even your typical liberal can google it. Just search the time periods that coincide with Johnson’s War on Poverty, single motherhood and the rise in black crime shortly thereafter.
    So what does this say about altruism in government? The people that helped to enact the welfare state have ultimately filled the prisons of today with black men from fatherless homes. Speaking of the epidemic of single mothers is downright blasphemy, as we are told that police are the problem.
    How dare we even suggest that the government may not be the best father of your children after all, because well- you know- women have the right to burden society all they want. It’s the law that is misogynist right?
    So now we are to defund police and render ourselves helpless against the state funded breeders of criminals and other bipeds that have to be policed, fed, schooled and paid again after their lives wind up miserable.
     
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    So all men have to get a vasectomy which can be reversed when they marry.
    And if they cheat, they are killed. Problem solved.
     
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    That would be racist.
     
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    Actually, promoting having children outside of marriage as a selfish and harmful choice might be a start to changing behavior.. make people feel bad for bad choices. Many women have several "baby daddies" and seem to think that is perfectly ok and acceptable.

    It gives the woman government money, a man when she wants one, and a man devoid of responsibility and a child liable to join gangs.
     
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    Great post. Common sense may rule the day after all.
     
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    Takes two - why is it always the woman's fault? Give all males a vasectomy at puberty and reverse it when they are married or sign papers committing to
    the financial support of any child produced. If he cheats while the vasectomy is reversed - he is killed. Problem solved.
     
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    The reason it is the woman’s fault is because she is burdened with the child at the end. She assumes most of the risk of the pregnancy if not all. I figured a thousand years of human history would prove that.
     
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    Because she agreed to the unprotected sex. Outside of rape, a man cannot complete the action necessary without her agreement.
     
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    Although I am ideologically against abortion, on the realistic side, I accept it. For one, you can't stop someone who truly wants an abortion, and two, we already have too many unwanted, uncared for children who have no family structure, no discipline, no ambition, and no respect for society.

    America needs children raised by caring, productive, law-abiding citizens who instill discipline, motivation, and respect for others and society into their children. So if the mother/father doesn't want the child, odds are the parent/parents aren't going to do a very good job of raising the child and society will end up paying heavily one way or another. Abort away. I wish it wasn't like that, but what is one to do? Planned parenthood on every corner. I hate that reality has made me think this way.
     
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    The only solution is the dissolution of the welfare state or the great enabler. The potential for financial ruin is enough to prevent most unwanted births. As of now there is little risk in an unwanted pregnancy.
    Either the state will pay for an abortion, or the state will pay for raising it.
    We have essentially removed any personal risks. In fact, made it beneficial. Victimhood has its advantages today.
    It’s the price we pay in raising criminals that bothers me.
     
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    Tell the Democrats to stop disabling the citizens.
     
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    The majority of single mothers weren't single when they became pregnant. Millions were divorced after child birth or were in what they thought was a committed relationship - and contraception fails. Average estimates for sex among child bering age adults is about 40 - 50 millions times a year. 3% failure puts that into the hundreds of thousands of unplanned pregnancies.

    The only sure method is a vasectomy for the man or hysterectomy for women. The vasectomy holds far fewer complications and can be reversed. So it's telling that you wouldn't suggest that first.
     
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    I'm not American, so I don't know how your welfare system works, but I still expect an analysis of the consequences of welfare to contain relevant data, statistics, comparisons with countries that offer no welfare.
     
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    It’s telling because I don’t believe that the gynocentric society we live in will ever buy into government funded vasectomies. Nor should they. It’s far cheaper to (if i may so boldly suggest) to suggest women take more responsibility for their own bodies. Isn’t that what women’s liberation is all about? Or was it about the freedom to be irresponsible?
    In either case, it has not ended up well for taxpayers.
    Whether it’s the man’s fault or woman’s, government subsidized fornication isn’t fair for taxpayers.
    “the majority of single mothers weren’t single when they became pregnant”? Lol
    70% of black children grow up in a single mother home. And you can’t correlate that with the number of black men filling the prisons? Furthermore; can you not attribute that to the welfare state?
    You want us to believe that all of these mothers were married at one time?
     
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    I’m not following. Is that a question?
     
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    No. It's an observation. Relevant data is completely missing from your post. How can anyone have an informed discussion - or at least a pertinent opinion - on the topic without a shred of evidence? (that's a question).
     
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    If you cared to investigate you would.
     
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    The War on Poverty and the civil rights legislation were well intended. I supported them at the time. Since then I have become disappointed with the black response. The rise in black crime and illegitimacy have verified arguments I argued against as a child, a teenager, and a young adult.
     
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    POVERTY AND CRIME

    In modern America, the correlation between high crime rates and poverty has a great deal to do with the proliferation of single-parent, father-absent households. According to the U.S Census, in 2008 the poverty rate for single parents with children was 35.6%; the rate for married couples with children was 6.4%. For white families in particular, the corresponding two-parent and single-parent poverty rates were 21.7% and 3.1%, respectively. For Hispanics, the figures were 37.5% and 12.8%, and for blacks, 35.3% and 6.9%. According to Robert Rector, a senior research fellow with the Heritage Foundation, “the absence of marriage increases the frequency of child poverty 700 percent” and thus constitutes the single most reliable predictor of a self-perpetuating underclass.

    Children in single-parent households are burdened not only with profound economic disadvantages, but are also far likelier to eventually get into trouble with the law. As a Heritage Foundation analysis notes, youngsters raised by single parents, as compared to those who grow up in intact married homes, are much more likely to be physically abused; to be treated for emotional and behavioral disorders; to smoke, drink, and use drugs; to behave aggressively and violently; to engage in criminal activity; and to be arrested for a juvenile crime. According to the National Fatherhood Initiative, 60% of rapists, 72% of adolescent murderers, and 70% of long-term prison inmates are men who grew up in fatherless homes.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1636
     
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    It's completely false. You're suggesting that men are divorcing in a massive way women when 80 % of divorces are initiated by women.

    Furthermore, the point isn't about women and men staying together, it's about children not being cut off of their father. There is things like shared custody. A father has a duty toward his children, he own as much toward the mother of his children than she do toward the father of his children : nothing.
     
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    So the current the rising homelessness, disenfranchisement from full time labor markets, falling education outcomes, increasing petty crime, and the other social ills Democrats constantly complain about, don't actually count as evidence?

    If you're looking for evidence that an Americans are funded better than a Bangladeshi, you need only look at the difference in obesity rates (then factor in all of the above) to know your welfare state has got it very very wrong.
     
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    Oh please .. you're not seriously going to suggest all kids started life with married parents living behind white picket fences, are ya?

    One of the most important factors in being an ADEQUATE parent, right after being able to afford the kid you want, is choosing a co-parent very ****ing carefully. It should never be predicated upon your lust to the exclusion of their character. Careful choice on the part of the woman, who may be at home with the children and dependent upon her partner ... is the difference between a stable marriage and a careless breeding.
     
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    Bingo!
     
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    Which is why only SHE should decide to abort or not....it IS her responsibility before it's born.....

    BTW, pregnant women assume ALL the risks in pregnancy...WHO TF else would...?
     
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    Consenting to one act(sexual intercourse) is NOT consenting to any other act (pregnancy) and pregnancy does not come about by a woman "consenting" to it...
     

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