Sochi 2014: Israeli Gay rights protests target Russia's games

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  1. Goomba

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    No equivocation, just the facts.

    'It' could be any garment a woman chooses to cover herself with in accordance to God's laws. Indeed, I mentioned the abaya as an example in that same paragraph. Now why would I mention the abaya if you so strongly believe that I was referring to the burqa?

    That would depend on the type of garment we're talking about.
     
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    I'm still waiting for some.

    Or it could be both, or many.

    Let's have a run-down on ALL the places in the Koran where it states any such dressing is required by Allah.
     
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    whats about XX century? again i feel sorry for you , Holodomor is not a myth , my first girlfriend grandfather worked in Ukraine at that time, he cleaned up the Stalin´s mess , he bribed his way out this hell with this [​IMG]
     
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    Curious why the Social Conservatives aren't upset about the fact that Israel now has state-funded abortion???
     
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    because Iran has state-funded abortion))))
     
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    as i said, read up the documents, there's no such thing as 'Holodomor'.
     
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    i know about 'Holodomor' from documents and personal contacts , that's why i asked you when in XX c. (before 1932 ) so enormous hunger took a place ? the lowest number of victims of starvation (which according you and other Russian ultra nationalists has never happened ) are 2 millions
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    Pedestrians walking past bodies of starved peasants on a street in Kharkiv, 1933.
     
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    none of the documents refer to anything by the name of 'Holodomor' because in fact nothing of that sort ever happened.

    what actually happened was a mass famine that occured because the Kulacks kept grain and other food stuffs form freely getting to markets in order to inflate the market prices, as was the practice since long ago in case a poor harvest year occured: the rich peasants tried to cash in on it by conspiring with merchants to impose restrictions on food stuffs coming to villages so that the food prices rose even higher, and as a result mass famines took place, such had been the practice since the 19th century in Russia.

    but Stalin put an end to all this by introducing the Kolkhozes that finally solved the issue and mass famines occured no more in Russia.
     
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    [video=youtube;WxUNGxbsBpc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxUNGxbsBpc[/video]
     
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    [video=youtube;xh_vYB-go-0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_vYB-go-0&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
     
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    You say that like it's a bad thing. I'll take any First World nation over the theocracies of the developing world.

    Again, the issue isn't whether or not individuals follow these things. The issue is when the state is used to compel people by them.
     
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    Just looking at them makes one wonder how far our society has regressed. Except for the advancement of our technology, (which is debatable, since the ancient Greeks knew quite a lot), these people look no different than the savages of the pre Christian era. I guess it's only a matter of time before they start liking human flesh. :pray:
     
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    Only in the Western world would lying generally be considered a sin. If you tell someone who is going to die that they are not going to die, or tell a child that Santa Claus exists, it certainly cannot be considered a sin by any stretch of the imagination. The word 'witness' in Greek is the same as 'martyr', because they have been witnessed against or accused. Basically the only correct translation for the Commandment would be that you must not accuse someone falsely.
     
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    In a democracy, a government is formed by the people for the good of the people. If certain actions are considered harmful by the majority of people, then the government is given the power to stop those actions. If the government doesn't have that power because of certain interest groups, then that government is not representing the will of the majority of the people so it is not a democracy.
     
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    An imposed famine by any other name is still an imposed famine.

    What you are saying is that the Ukrainian merchants kept the food in order to raise the prices, but the villagers were not allowed to have any of it, so the merchants let the food rot? Hmmm! So then the food didn't end up in Russia to feed the people? Are you sure you haven't been listening to too much Soviet propaganda there. :confuse:
     
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    Lying covers a lot more than the white lies I mentioned and falsely accusing someone of something.

    I don't personally believe that sin exists, but suffice to say, there are various other ways you can lie besides false accusations that most people consider wrong. Fraud is a good example.
     
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    And at one time, the white majority here thought it was "harmful" for black people to mingle with whites. For a long time, segregation was the law of the land in many states, but that never made it right or just.

    Majority rule is not the sole component of a functioning democracy. Although unfortunately, much of the Arab Spring doesn't seem to have figured that out.
     
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    But that would come under stealing I think. The Commandment I find most interesting is coveting, because in the Western world we think of it as wanting something that someone else has....like a job or boy and girl friend, etc. In the Near and Middle East, coveting is the act of hurting another person by taking from them whatever is making them jealous.
     
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    In my view it is; indeed, I'll take the society based on ethics to one based on hedonism. And I have lived in the West.

    Sure, and the state (at least in my opinion) should guide its people toward this path. Families also have a role, as well as teachers, and so forth.

    This does not mean that the state has to be of a totalitarian nature. People can have their freedom (as freedom is important).
     
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    that famine wasn't imposed, for no authorities of any country would want anything of that sort happen under their rule, and what West propaganda concocted insisting it was an imposed famine only demonstrates how flawed and distorted is the way of thinking West people are indoctrinated with from birth to grave.

    no, grain and canned food and sausages don't rot, these can wait and be transported elsewhere in case of poor local sales.
     
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    btw, the very idea of a State persecuting own people is a nonsense and utter idiocy the Western authorities a brainwashig West peoples with.
     
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    You keep saying Western propaganda, and I was born in the U.S. and not once did I or anyone hear of the holodymir until I happened to be on a religious forum with Ukrainians. You have no idea how limited our knowledge of Eastern Europe was and still is.

    One thing you are right in though, the grain was transported elsewhere. It was transported to feed the Russians and the Ukrainians were left to starve. Now don't tell me it was not done by Stalin because of Ukrainian obstinance to collectivization? For you to believe otherwise, you would have to be either indoctrinated or highly naïve...unless the merchants were Soviets, which is always a possibility, and which again would make Stalin culpable. :oldman:
     
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    its a fascist myth , Russian- Georgian -Jewish "communists" could not handle own plan system (problem with mathematic , stupidity, just did not care) , 1 000 000s started to eat each other . so instead of borrowing money and feed people what this scum international did? more then 90% of the victims were usual peasants and workers , not the so-colled "kurkuls " (working class enemies )
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kurkul
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
     
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    Well, not all are born like it should be, some are peadophiles, some are zoophiles, some are gerantofiles, some a homophiles, etc. etc.

    I do not think that it is a good idea to fool the children and tell them that something that is obviously abnormal is quite normal, like it is done in many western countries.

    I suspect that some western politicians are crypt-peadophiles, that is why they want to go after children.

    http://www.dw.de/pedophilia-scandal-entangles-german-greens/a-16836153

    I think that Russian government is not subverted by peadophiles yet, that is why Russian parliament almost unanimously voted against the propaganda of abnormal sexual behaviour in Russian schools.

    Only fools believe that this has something to do with Putin.

    No, it has something to do with the Russian voters!!!

    Russia is a democracy, and the Russian government has to represent the interests of their voters!!!
     
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    It depends on what is the "state" and how the state defines "own".

    To Bolsheviks the Russian or Ukrainian peasants (called Christians, i.e. Krestyane) were not their "own" people, they were just "human material".
     

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