Socialism Can Never Work And Has Never Worked

This idea of the social ownership of the means of production, ie, state ownership, collective ownership, etc, etc.

The best you can hope for is a little bit of that, with the rest (95% plus) being private ownership.

Anything else is unworkable and unfeasible.

Take the idea of collectively owned businesses for example. You can set one of those up right now. Why aren't they already numerous and thriving. I think it's pretty obvious why they aren't.

I am constantly amazed that anyone anywhere believes in it.

 

Every business on the stock exchange is effectively "collectively' owned.

 

Yes I knew someone would say that. No that is private ownership, and there is not democratic decision making.

 

Do you think there is democratic decision making in employee owned companies or nationalized industries like the timber
industry in Sweden? There are no pure "isms" in the world.

 

Sweden is a capitalist economy with private ownership. It is not a socialist economy.

Well you admit that socialism will not work, ok.

 

Socialism at this point is just fair, well regulated capitalism, with a good safety net for the unfortunate, and some necessity industries run by the gov't. Every modern industrial democracy is socialist (have to be called social democracies or democratic socialism so RW idiots heads don't explode), even the USA, though here the bought off GOP keeps it unfair pandering to the richest.

"We're all socialists now"- Finland PM when ACA passed.

 

Well you seem to be agreeing with me.

When you say socialism "at this point", what is the next stage?

In what way is every modern industrial democracy socialist.

 

So you think the stock exchange is socialism.

And you think Communism is democratic.

Dupe.

 

Finland, nor the US have socialist economies.

 

America works with socialism and capitalism running through its veins.

 

No, its just a dishonest attempt to redefine socialism to save face. Socialism is dead and it failed. So called socialists arent even real socialists anymore. That is good, but it is also pathetic. The ussr was socialist, it failed. The uk prior to thatcher was very socialist, it too failed. Socialism failed, capitalism won. Well regulated capitalism is not socialism, it is just well regulated capitalism. But you basically say that socialism isnt socialism anymore, and that is true. But lets not pretend socialism works.

 

Socialism is always democratic, communism NEVER. AGAIN. Everywhere but brainwashed, ignorant RE America. Read, travel. lol

 

You clearly don't even know what a socialist economy is.

You're peddling utter tripe about capitalism thinking it's socialism. That is incredible ignorance.

So I'm not going to discusses this with you as your opinion will be irrelevant.

You're also smug and ignorant which is another reason.

 

Works great. See EU, Australia, NZ, Canada, even the US when the GOP isn't giving it away to the greedy idiot megarich and screwing the middle class like the last 35 years...GOP dupes don't know the difference between socialism as defined everywhere else, and communism, totally brainwashed. So call it demoratic socialism or social democracy. Either way, the highest form of society.

 

My 1960 World Book defines socialism as always democratic, so does every foreigner I've ever discussed it with. Only the RW USA doesn't get it.Labor UK and the USSR are both socialist? Then it no longer means anything.

 

Oh dear, that is embarrassing, you are really showing your ignorance now. Go home.

 

Me Masters in History, you, masters in RW BS.

 

No, I won't admit it, because Socialism for however many decades has kept this country and the people in it afloat.

And stop trying to pedal Capitalism as if it exists. "IT DOESN'T. Capitalism is for the one tenth of one percent. We never came close to being a part of Capitalism. We are nothing more than drones who finance Capitalism for the super wealthy. What rock have you been hiding under?

 

More utter tripe.

What an argument.

I wasn't even going to bother to reply but I'll just say go back to your rock.

 

I've been in my socialist rock all this time. Where do you think you've been?

 

Or just well regulated capitalism.

I guess whether you call something capitalism or socialism, it really doesn't matter. The important bits have always been what's good or bad about specific policies when set in specific locations. Which means I don't want to see someone stupidly say "That's Socialist, and Socialists all failed!!!"

 

The childish posting of laughing emojis. The aggressive and banal posts.

Good luck to you. I'm not wasting my time.

 

But they did fail. No, we do not have an equal mix of socialism and capitalism. It did not blend into some evenly mixed system. It is overwhelmingly capitalist. It does matter what we call it, because to call it socialist would be a lie. The basic ideas of socialism were tried and they failed. Most, but not all, of socialism has been proven wrong. But again, the key word is most. Some socialism we do have, but like 90% or original socialism is now dead. So yes, they did fail.

 

There are not many socialist countries in the world. I think there are five today. China, Vietnam, Cuba, Nth Korea and Laos. Excluding Nth Korea, the other four have many elements of capitalism within their systems and a single party form of government doesn't guarantee socialism.

I lived in Laos for eight years. Laos has a free market economy where if you make it or grow it, you can sell it or profit. Land and business ownership is also encouraged. I lived in China for three months. While still being an authoritarian government, China is still very capitalistic. Vietnam is much the same.

I can't understand why Americans from the right wing are still showing concern about socialism, even communism, as those countries who traditionally are socialist or communist are moving away from these ideologies. There is no way countries with democratic free market economies should move to pure socialism.