Socialism Can Never Work And Has Never Worked

I dont give a dam if Socialism works or not.

America is a Capitalist society and will stay that way unless there was a civil war with the victor drafting a NEW CONSTITUTION

Good luck!

 

Australia especially. Infrastructure and utilities that were once historically government run are being sold off to private enterprise. Sometimes it works, sometimes it fails.

 

Even real socialists agree with me that sweden is not, and never has been, socialist
http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/3752
Continue in your delusion if you want..

 

From your link: "Sweden has never been a socialist society - based on public ownership of production, workers’ control and management, social equality and a democratic plan of production."...So who the hell is socialist lol? THE most misunderstood word ever.

I'll go with my first bible and the Finland PM and every Eurobar discussion of the subject. Thanks anyway...

Your link just proves you believe COMMUNIST propaganda. PASS.

 

So far RW Nazis and communists agree: they're socialists. LOL. I'll go with the 1960 World Book and "always democratic" and well regulated capitalism with a good safety net.

 

I would maintain that anyplace with a $15-19 minimum wage is socialist and fair.

 

Oh crap, that's communism, whose propaganda you seem to believe. The rest of the world started to make a distinction in the 1930's when Stalin's USSR was revealed as a monstrosity. We can all agree communism is a horrible failure.

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Yes, communism is pure socialism and like pure capitalism, sucks.

 

Sweden definitely follows Social Democracy on the whole.

 

No we do not. We have capitalist economy.

 

OK then, put your cards on the table,, which countries are socialist?

 

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, and a policy regime involving collective bargaining arrangements, a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions.[1][2][3] Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model in the Nordic countries—during the latter half of the 20th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

 

oh.. yeah, i confused that with democratic socialism.. Sure, sure, we have social democracy, as does most of the west. Social democracy is not socialism though. As wikipedia says, it is within a capitalist framework.

 

Have you ever worked for an ESOP?

 

In fact, there never was a communist country, not even the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). The former so-called communist countries in Eastern Europe were socialist, not communist.

 

Socialism is basically the same we have now except in business we would give all the profits to the government instead of private shareholders/owners. The government would also own any losses and liabilities. Certainly this can be done. But in this scenario what remains the stimulus and/or reward for invention and patent and technology and design and the best and brightest workers, etc.? This would also terminate the stock market meaning any surplus investment cash will probably leave the country.

Paul Newman's non-profit company is similar to socialism in the sense that profits are not distributed to private owners but instead given to charitable organizations. And this works fine in the narrow scope they operate. Could this be done by all food producers in the USA?

I prefer the system we have in place now in which any person who truly puts forth the effort to achieve their potential can achieve that and much more...

 

IMO the USA is the greatest nation on Earth primarily because of our capitalist economy. If the USA were a socialist economy where would we be ranked today?

 

Great! So everyone has a different definition of socialism lol...I'll agree with the Finland PM: "We're all socialists now!" when ACA was passed. So now the USA is socialist- so it means regulated capitalism with a good safety net, and I'm putting the EU, Canada, NX and OZ in the same category. My 1960 World Book added ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC. And I don't believe the propaganda of Nazis and Communists.

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Great! So everyone has a different definition of socialism lol...I'll agree with the Finland PM: "We're all socialists now!" when ACA was passed. So now the USA is socialist- so it means regulated capitalism with a good safety net, and I'm putting the EU, Canada, NX and OZ in the same category. My 1960 World Book added ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC. And I don't believe the propaganda of Nazis and Communists. Like Swedish Guy.

 

That's a communist website. They're not socialist, and neither are Nazis- just in their propaganda.. A true communist, democratic nation might be, but never been possible.

 

What Capitalist economy? You mean the one where the top one tenth of one percent get to be a part of, and the rest of us work for them?

 

WE? What portion of that Capitalist economy did you get? The part the top tenth of one percent told you what you could have?

 

You'd probably collapse, like russia did.

I hate that people like you can vote.

 

That's not socialism, it is just an employee benefit (like a car or a cash bonus) in a capitalist economy. The stock market is not socialism.

 

Socialism is and never has been anything like what we have now.

What we have now was achieved because of capitalism. It would never have been achieved in the first place under socialism. Not even 10% of it.

It is not possible to achieve it under socialism.

 

Too much whining...all Americans can achieve more if they wish! If you and others wish to be in the top 1%, then make some plans and take actions to achieve that. Whining will never move anyone from their current position...

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PF needs to provide some sad violin music to go with all this whining...

 

Sorry but socialism is exactly like we have today except all the profits are owned by the government...everyone will be working for the government when that happens...