Some say Haley was wrong for not mentioning slavery as the cause of the civil war

And yet not mentioned in any of the declarations of secession. Or the Cornerstone Speech.

#Fail

 

Every declaration of secession mentions slavery as the primary reason to leave the Union.

And see the Cornerstone Speech, which said the same thing.

 

Or...they could have seceeded peacefully, and not attacked Fort Sumter.

 

You failed to read. I said roughly half were part of slave holding households, not that half owned slaves. It should only take a fractional degree of critical thinking to see why.

I've posted data before showing that roughly half of all Mississippi and South Carolina households owned slaves.

I've referenced several original, primary sources, from the south, from the time period, that say you are full of ****, none of which you have been capable of responding to. You and your faction won't accept objective history, even when the people you are defending outright tell you you are full **** and they are guilty.

 

Oh, nothing.... Just.... historical facts.

 

@BleedingHeadKen , let's also add to that the 1860 election itself, newspapers from the time period, the design notes of the guy who created the Confederate flag, the Crittenden Compromise, the peace summit, the letters and speeches from secession commissioners, and the Confederate constitution itself. The only way to claim that it wasn't about slavery is to ignore EVERYTHING the South had to say about their own motivations.

 

This may be the most historically illiterate thing written on this thread so far. The tariffs that were in place at the time were FAVORABLE tariffs to the South that were DESIGNED by the South. The South had already won the tariff disputes. Not to mention the fact that only one state had ever threatened to secede over tariffs, back when the tariffs were far WORSE, and NO other southern state was willing to join them. There's a reason that even the South says you are full of **** when you claim that this was about tariffs instead of slavery.

 

Its unbelievable how folks deny the South left the Union so as to preserve slavery.

 

You're overstating reaction in the South to the tariffs and understating antipathy toward slavery in the North.

 

I'd also love to hear why the South waited for three decades, when tariffs were in their favor, to secede over tariffs . . . while openly claiming they were actually seceding over slavery . . . after already having turned down secession over tariffs back when tariffs were far worse.

 

Clearly, some of the deniers are racists.

 

The primary cause of the American Civil War was slavery.

State after state that fought against the United States stated it as their primary pretext:

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States​

 

Not acknowledging slavery as the primary cause of the Civil War because it happened 150 years ago is blatant avoidance of a reality calculated to appease a faction in denial.

What is the expiration date after which one can ignore the role of Hitler and his Nazis in WWII?

 

Slavery, per se, was (WAS) a crucially-important ingredient in this whole sad chapter in our history, and it can be argued that it was the catalyst that actually 'ignited the flame'. Nobody seriously disputes that. But the thing that drives many of us half-crazy who see the Civil War and its causes holistically is that those with your opinion refuse to acknowledge that Northern undermining of, and avowed oppression against, the very States Rights guaranteed by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution was a matter of any importance at all!

Sure... slavery was wrong! Want to hear it again? Slavery was wrong! It always has been wrong -- from the dawn of humanity right down to the present day, where ironically enough, slavery is still widely practiced -- in AFRICA!

There's been a lot of 'woulda, coulda, shoulda' argument ever since the Civil War, but anyone wanting to get to the bedrock of the whole thing must (MUST) begin with the wording of the 10th Amendment itself if they would really understand why all those rich plantation owners and many, many more common, ordinary people who formed the Confederate States of America wanted so desperately to get away from the bald tyranny of an oppressive central government in Washington D. C.

 

The "campaigns" of Haley and DeSantis consist of their cravenly groveling before Trumpery and the dogmatic lickspittles who swallow it.

Theirs are not profiles in courage.

Ron the Authoritarian SwampThing recently had the temerity to note that, despite his relentless flatulence about interlopers, Trump deported fewer illegal aliens than had Obama in his first term.

If they are purporting to run against the Cry Baby Loser in hiding, they should be enumerating all his dismal failures about which he persists in lying.

Tell the truth and let his bum kissers howl.

 

The discussion we were having was about the causes of Confederate secession . . . which was slavery. I understand your desperation to change your tune now, but I'm not going to fall for it.

 

I haven't changed any 'tune' at all... States Rights were, by far, the most important issue underlying everything that occured between the Northern and Southern factions. Obviously you didn't read my post -- and don't want to, either. Go in peace and I will do the same... it is completely futile to continue this discussion if you really do believe that the entire reason for the Civil War in this country was slavery... a belief that you have obviously "fallen for"....

 

It's the flip side of the same coin. Think if of it as heads and tails of the same coin.

Heads = Lincoln wants to save the union, and deems going to war is the only way to save the union. In a letter published in the NYTimes, he clearly states that if he could save the union without freeing the slaves, he would do so, informing us that saving the union is his primary motive for the war, not freeing the slaves. After the attack on Ft Sumter, it becomes increasingly clear that he must free the slaves in order to save the union, and war is unavoidable.

Tails = Most of the south, sensing an abolitionist president, secedes in order to preserve slavery.

Of course, tails preceded heads on the timeline.

 

Revisionism aside, slavery, by the rebellious states' own contemporary admission, was their primary pretext for the Civil War.

It has left a legacy that continues to impact America and Americans in its economic consequences, politics, civil rights, and culture.

Jim Crow laws, "Whites Only" businesses, and noxious effigies to those who renounced their citizenship and the U.S.Constitution have been among the nation's inherited baggage.

 

History says you are full of it. The South didn't give two shits about "States' Rights" when it came to slavery. As has already been demonstrated. Obviously you didn't read my post, didn't read your own post, and haven't ever cracked a history book. There's a reason why I'm referencing primary sources and you are incapable of doing the same. I'm saying they seceded over slavery. THEY ****ING SAID THEY SECEDED OVER SLAVERY, and you claim you know more about their own motivations than they knew about themselves. Fun stuff.

 

And who is doing that?

 

The documented fact that Lincoln's primary objective was to preserve the Union, and the rebellious states initiating the war by attacking the United Staes at Fort Sumpter, do not nullify the Declarations of Causes. Their stated objective was to preserve and spread slavery.

 

It was an equal component. In my view, Lincoln's primary reason for the war was to save the union, not to free the slaves. We know this because of his letter published in the NYTimes which specifically stated it. However, the south seceded because they saw Lincoln, correctly, as an abolitionist president and sought to preserve slavery, upon which their economies depended. In time, Lincoln realized that there was no way to save the union without freeing the slaves. What is wrong is the claim that he started the war primarily to free the slaves. That is wrong, it was a collateral, not a primary, reason.

 

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The "States Rights" the rebellious states repeatedly cited in their Declaration of Causes featured the perpetuation and extension of their practice of slavery.