Special Counsel Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe

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  1. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you explain the email chain released by Don Jr, that specifically cites that the Russian government wishes to assist in the election of Donald Trump and is willing to provide negative information against his political rival?
     
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    You've never commented on this clip. Thoughts, comments? Additionally, some seem to claim foreign agents interfering in U.S. elections are a BIG deal, thus the raid on Manafort's premises. Why didn't the intelligence agencies immediately and timely descend on the DNC for evidence? Was it because the DNC didn't want light shined on their operations or that it's not of importance? That rhetorically smacks of partisan hypocrisy.

     
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    What Statutes were violated when Political Partisans, working with foreign (British) foreign intelligence services put together a the faked up Peeing Prostitutes file sourced with Russian Intelligence?

    You can't have it both ways. And in terms of depth, there is no comparison between a 10 minute meeting that resulted in nothing and months of effort, that involved multiple foreign services and resulted in a fake file that formed the basis of PDB.

    Your thoughts on General Warrants vs the 4th Amendment and the appointment of Mueller despite the fact that a SC is not authorized by the SC statute for what Mueller is engaging in.
     
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    John McAfee is expressing his opinion. You know what they say about opinions, I'm sure. There is another thread discussing download speeds where more opinions are expressed. When one of the founders of Crowdstrike used to work for McAfee, and saw McAfee's products perform insufficiently and created a new company with a better idea, I'm not surprised McAfee would be critical of his former employee's company. McAfee isn't the most reasonable and sane person in the world either. He's welcome to his opinion, as is anyone else. It doesn't prove anything any more than Scaramucci quoting Trump, who was quoting Putin, that if the Russians did it, they would have done it so well, no one would know it was them. I'll grant you that Russians are probably the best in the world when it comes to propaganda and compromat. They are not the best in the world when it comes to hacking. China is. Putin hated Hillary Clinton. China didn't. Putin wants the Magnitsky Act overturned and sanctions removed on his country so he can drill the 1/2 trillion dollars worth of oil he has, and use other banks without his funds being seized. Russia would benefit from Clinton not being elected. Russia would benefit from sanctions being lifted, and several Russians were talking to members of the Trump campaign about that very thing, and none of them seemed to remember any Russians. Seems sorta duck-ish to me, but your mileage may vary.

    At one point, Trump was officially briefed on what Russians were accused of doing during the election. Soon afterwards, he made a statement that the Russians were behind it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    Fair enough. We may not agree, but at least it's plausible. Not something you find around all the time. lol
     
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    As I recall, FusionGPS was first engaged in collecting opposition research on Trump by another Republican, JEB!, during the primaries. When JEB! left the race, the information was offered to the DNC, from what I understand.

    Opposition research is not against the law. Most campaigns not only research their opposition, they do it to themselves as well, so they are prepared to counter whatever their opposition might throw their way. Politics is a nasty, dirty business because it is played for power. Knowledge is power.

    I'm not sure what you mean by having it both ways.

    Accepting a meeting knowing that the meeting entailed information from a foreign country and that a quid pro quo was discussed is not legal. Campaigns are not allowed to accept anything of value from foreign countries.

    It doesn't matter what you think about General Warrants, the 4th Amendment, or the scope of Mueller's investigation. He's operating under the law, appointed by a Republican Asst. AG, under the authority of a Republican AG, appointed by a Republican President, and confirmed by a Republican controlled Senate. His scope is written as being able to investigate wherever the evidence takes him. You don't have to like it, but you can't do anything about it any more than Hillary could do anything about all the Benghazi investigations. Let it run its course, and we'll all know what was found eventually. We are a country of laws where we believe no one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, that will be borne out. If he did something illegal, then the House has a job to do.
     
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