Special Counsel Robert Hur says Biden 'willfully' kept classified documents but won't be prosecuted

I'm sorry but I just don't get the significance of "give it back." I don't see how that absolves you of the crime if in fact a crime was committed. That's been a common theme from the forum left on these cases, but I admit it never made sense to me. You mean if Snowden simply just gave all of the classified he took back, all would be forgiven?

Nope.

 

So show me someone who was, that didn’t also obstruct or lie to investigators.
You can’t. This isn’t my first rodeo on this.

 

Two former CIA directors, Petraeus and Deutsch, were charged with mishandled classified information and both plead guilty. I don't know what rodeo you think you've been in but I recommend head protection

 

Come on man
The government also said that Petraeus gave false statements to FBI agents about giving Broadwell the notebooks, and that he also falsely swore when he left the CIA in 2012 that he did not have any classified material in his possession or controll

 

What about Deutsch?

There are a lot of people who have been convicted of mishandling classified information (contrary to your assertions) so we can just go through them one by one if you like. But I think you should start a thread about it since your bit on this forum is derailing threads so let's try to nip that in the bud shall we?

 

I’m not derailing if, I’m educating you on how it’s enforced. I’m not sure about deautsxh. So let’s stick to the last 30 years to be safe.

 

Ah here we go…he wasn’t prosecuted

Over two years after his departure, the matter was referred to the Department of Justice, where Attorney General Janet Reno declined prosecution. She did, however, recommend an investigation to determine whether Deutch should retain his security clearance.

 

Educating me?

 

Deutch had agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor for mishandling government secrets on January 19, 2001, but President Clinton pardoned him in his last day in office, two days before the Justice Department could file the case against him.

 

Yes. You didn’t know Patreus lied. Nobody gets prosecuted without lying or obstruction. Yet you want to hold Biden, and presumably pence, to a new standard.

 

Not sure why since the DOJ declined to prosecute

 

Totally false, but that's for another thread.

 

You should ask why there was a plea deal. You claim he shouldn't be prosecuted. We just have laws on the books for absolutely nothing.

 

It’s like driving 66 in a 65. Not legal, but you’ll never get a ticket for it.

sounds like deautsch had other legal issues that went away with his plea.


The Justice Department initially declined to prosecute Deutch and four months later, in August 1999, Tenet stripped him of his CIA security clearances. But in February 2000, amid congressional demands that the case be reopened, then-Attorney General Janet Reno appointed Coffey as a special prosecutor to investigate Deutch's actions.


At that time, Deutch also was under investigation for security violations that stemmed from his tenure at the Defense Department, where he worked before the CIA.

 

Very true. There is always another crime involved. Makes sense otherwise it’s tough to prove they intended to take the stuff. Most of these govt agents aren’t packing their own boxes.

 

No. You asked the difference. Joe, when he found he had them he turned them back over to the proper authorities.

Trump told them to F’off…..

Nothing should be “forgiven” by either.

 

Espionage Act violations are just like speeding tickets.

Interesting.

 

I think the real difference was that it was Trump.

 

Close. Read it again and maybe it’ll sink in.

 

That’s a cop out.

Why do republicans refuse to see the facts, and always equate everything to “they just want to get Trump” ?

MAYBE, just MAYBE, it’s because the man IS not following laws, and doesnt care about anyone but himself. Everyone on the right seems to think he was born in 2017,, and refuse to look back on his actual life and see that he has been skirting the law, and pushing the limits of the law, and literally everything he has done in his life is about him.

The totality of a man is what he has done thru out his life, not just what he did today. If it walks like a duck…quacks like a duck….its not a Horse

 

It might be, and this is just a theory, that what you think of as facts are not, in fact, facts. This and many other threads on this topic have it as an article of faith that if you give the documents back, no charges. Is that actually Justice Department policy? Is that part of the Espionage Act? No one cares apparently.

Another issue is that this topic is a Gell-Mann Amnesia effect item for me. I worked with classified documents for decades and was subject to multiple laws around them, so when you and others read a Vox "explainer" and suddenly become internet legal experts on classified documents, I realize just how dumb our media are on this topic. Of course with other topics that I don't have a personal expertise on I'm stuck with the same dumb media and I too, become an internet [fill in the blank] expert.

If you recall just recently there was a 12-0 Supreme Court decision against an action that hundreds of pages on this forum had been dedicated to telling me that it was perfectly constitutional for state courts to remove Presidential candidates.

Such is the fate of internet experts.

 

You may want to actually read what the SC said on the ballot issue. They didn't say that states dont have a right, they said they cannot just invoke the 14th amendment without a law. Which on its face, is ridiculous. They said that a law has to be broken, before the constitution can be used against it.

 

A federal law.

 

A 12-0 scotus ruling? That’s quite an accomplishment!

 

Because they identify strongly with his “victim” mentality…

I’ve been a teacher for near 50 years. If I had 10 bucks every time a kid used the excuse of “I didn’t do anything! You teachers are just picking on me…!”, I’d be far, far wealthier than I am.

And that’s what The Stain and his minions are…little, immature, belligerent kids in adult form…