If killing fetuses will reduce the population, then how on earth can you possibly say that such killings are not homicides? You guys make no sense whatsoever!
Back to the condescending prick mode again? At least once in a while make an attempt at intelligent posting.
Collections of cells are not "human beings" before viability. The Catholic Church says killing sperm without giving them a chance to get an egg is homicide too! There is no end to your power control desires over people's lives.
Indeed, you are not! Their irrationality would be a big leap UP for yours. Run along, little Guppy, the grownups are talking.
Now theyre having infanticide sales. Next theyll be running twofers. Bring a pregnant friend and get two for the price of one. Free Wi-Fi, VIP Treatment, and a $50 Abortion Discount (Sundays Only) by A.W.R. Hawkins (more by this author) Posted 11/11/2011 ET The culture of death is not static. Rather, it constantly permeates those who partake in it, and especially those who promote it. Because of this, the lucid observer can see a continual degradation of human value and a shameless promotion of death-for-hire by abortionists who openly practice in the light what past generations would have done only in the dark of night (if they did it at all). For example, in Florida, the Orlando Womens Center (OWC) is currently offering a special $50 discount for abortions performed on Sundays. (Pay attention, folks, the price of killing our preborn children just got cheaper.) And in case the expecting mother would like to surf the Web before or shortly after her preborn child is killed, this same womens center is pleased to announce that [it is] now offering Free Wi-Fi at [the] Orlando Womens Center. Aint that great? Now mothers who want to have their preborn children killed can do so without fear of missing out on the score of the big football game, their latest updates on Facebook, or the most up-to-date news coverage available from CNN.com. This convolution is a direct result of what the culture of death has done to the minds of many 21st century Americans. Those thus impacted seemingly have no compunction over running ads for discounted abortions and free Wi-Fi together as if they were a mom-and-pop store advertising buy one, get one free DVDs and free coffee. And to make it all the more sickening and surreal, the OWC actually advertises a way for women to get around late-term abortion laws, so that now, even women whove carried their babies nearly to term can take advantage of the Sunday special and surf the Internet on a laptop while in the clinic. Currently, Florida law prevents an abortion after 24 weeks if theres a heartbeat. So the OWCs solution is to get rid of the heartbeat. Im not kidding. Near the top of the OWC home page is a link on which women can click that reads: Greater than 24 weeks Pregnant? Please click here. When women click on it, the site latetermabortion.net opens, which informs women that they can fly to a covert clinic in Washington, D.C., and have their babys heart stopped so that they can then fly back to their home states and have the murdered child aborted. (FYIlatetermabortion.net doesnt call it murder. Rather, they refer to it as an intra-cardiac injection of medication into the fetal heart that stops the heartbeat so that the mother can return to her private physician to complete the induction of labor with delivery of the fetus.) By the way, latetermabortion.net actually describes its compassionate intervention to stop a fetal heart beat as a much-needed service. Moreover, it readily admits it is not more widely available due to moral values (as in, the moral values of the majority of the American people). This isnt compassionate, nor is it a much-needed service. It is murder by another name. And its advertised shamelessly because the culture of death teaches its perpetrators not to think. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47461
Did you read your own articles? This seems pretty compassionate to me. There's simply NO indication that these procedures are used late-term on a whim or casually. LateTermAbortion.net performs intracardiac injections to stop the fetal heart beat on late second and third trimester therapeutic termination of pregnancy procedures when fetal anomalies and/or genetic defects are found or to protect the health of the woman. Therapeutic abortion procedures end pregnancies that were originally wanted, but cannot be continued due to problems with the fetus or to protect the health of the woman.
To OKgrannie: Perhaps you should read it again. My comments referred to running infanticide sales. Exactly what does your response have to do with this?: Free Wi-Fi, VIP Treatment, and a $50 Abortion Discount (Sundays Only) And this?: For example, in Florida, the Orlando Womens Center (OWC) is currently offering a special $50 discount for abortions performed on Sundays.
First of all, we don't even know if this article is accurate since it is a right-wing site. Right-wingers are famous for lying to stir up their followers. But in any case, abortion is not infanticide. According to the ad, discounts are offered to entice women to schedule at a certain time, not to induce women to abort who weren't already going to abort. No women is going to get pregnant deliberately so she can spend the week-end getting an abortion.
To OKgrannie: Now dont go silly on me! Infanticide is murder. Running a sale trivializes the crime. The article made that clear: The culture of death is not static. Rather, it constantly permeates those who partake in it, and especially those who promote it. Because of this, the lucid observer can see a continual degradation of human value and a shameless promotion of death-for-hire by abortionists who openly practice in the light what past generations would have done only in the dark of night (if they did it at all). And this: This convolution is a direct result of what the culture of death has done to the minds of many 21st century Americans. Those thus impacted seemingly have no compunction over running ads for discounted abortions and free Wi-Fi together as if they were a mom-and-pop store advertising buy one, get one free DVDs and free coffee.
Whaaat? I thought women LOVED going out and getting their uteruses scraped clean every other weekend! It's like getting an extreme pap-smear. Ooohh! FUN!
Of course infanticide is murder, and anyone committing that crime will be arrested immediately. Please call the police if you know of any such crime. Abortion is neither. There is no such thing as a "culture of death" unless it belongs to the war hawks. I'm glad you admit that past generations did have abortions and they had to hunt out illegal and dangerous abortionists to perform the abortions they had in similar numbers as today.
To OKgrannie: Roe v. Wade: 1973 through 2011: Are you claiming an estimated 45 million illegal abortions were performed in the 38 years before Roe v. Wade?
That's probably not too far off. About a million a year. http://eileen.undonet.com/GerriS/numbers_sykes.ht 1.67 million abortions per year in 1960? If not, then abortion must have been even more dangerous. But this guessing isn't necessary, because we actually know the mortality rate from abortion in the 1950s and 60s: it was about 20 to 25 deaths per 100,000 procedures from both legal and illegal abortion. ("Pro-lifers" are absolutely correct in saying that illegal abortion was not much more risky than legal abortion in those years; the greater risk from an illegal procedure was offset by the fact that women having legal procedures were sicker than women having illegal ones. I will cite the references for this at the end.) So, solving for NA is easy: NA = (250)(100,000)/25 = 1,000,000 [editorial note: we can also deduce from this that the actual risk was about 75 times todays risk - E] And that's how we know that there were about a million abortions a year in the two decades before legalization. Since we also know
To OKgrannie: I figured you would cite numbers that were used by abortion advocates prior to Roe v. Wade. 1. Any number the infanticide crowd came up with before 1973 was jacked up because they did not have to prove their claims; whereas, the CDC working with real numbers estimates 50 million abortions since 1973. 2. The US population in 1935, that is 38 years before Roe v. Wade, was 127 million. By 1960 the population had risen to 180 million. In 1973 the population was 211 million. Today’s population is over 300 million. So if you take the provable CDC number you get an average of 1.4 million babies killed every year since 1973. Compare that number to the unprovable claims before Roe v. Wade and you’ll see that abortionists are saying the number of abortions is fairly constant year after year before and after Roe v. Wade. In fact, the 1960 number of 1.67 million you provided is much higher than average in relation to the population at the time. That makes no sense at all. To achieve those numbers illegal abortions had to be readily available in every city and town in America, and performed under the noses of state and local law enforcement agencies. Also, deaths caused by illegal abortions was a major selling point as well as an effective scare tactic before Roe v. Wade. Logically, 1.67 million back ally abortions had to result in widespread slaughter if there was any truth to the claims. Where the hell was law enforcement when that slaughter was taking place?
Do the numbers of abortions really matter? Because quite frankly whether it's one or two or millions you still think it's murder and we still don't.
To Pasithea: Of course it matters because I know it’s murder. Legal murder makes me a participant even though I do not want the government to make allowances for a single abortion. It all comes down to a quote often attributed to Stalin that I’ll paraphrase here: The death of one infant is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic. Baby killers are proud of the statistic. I, along with the majority, are still at the tragedy stage.
For the most part law enforcement turned a blind eye. Abortionists advertised openly in many places. Yes, every small town and village had an abortionist, abortion may have been more accessible when it was illegal than it now, since now clinics are primarily located in urban areas. http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97may/abortion.htm many doctors -- including prominent members of the AMA -- went right on providing abortions. Some late-nineteenth-century observers estimated that two million were performed annually (which would mean that in Victorian America the number of abortions per capita was seven or eight times as high as it is today).
Why would we be proud of it? I am not proud of statistics. That's just silly. I personally find it a tragedy that there are still that many unwanted pregnancies. It might go down quite a bit if people had more easy access to contraceptives and better sex education. But the lifers keep pushing against sex ed and contraceptives and instead keep pushing 'abstinence only' which is a complete failure in and of itself. People simply aren't going to refrain from sex, it is ignorant to think otherwise, so what's the best thing to do then? Give people the knowledge and the education to protect themselves.
Yea but you have well demonstrated that your knowlege amounts to little more that emotial drivel presented in bold type.
Then how about you and the other do something to prevent abortions, like supporting cheap (or free) contraception, instead of trying to ban the very thing that prevents abortions?
To OKgrannie: So the parents and loved ones of the thousands who supposedly died in back ally abortions were deliberately ignored by law enforcement officials not to mention the media. Youd have to believe that year after year thousands of complaints were shoveled under the table all across the country to believe anything you say in your response. To Pasithea: They take infinite pride in the Right to choose infanticide over life. They dont admit it, but there must be a subliminal pride in the killing. The two cannot be separated. The joke is: The Right to choose is about population control that is discussed in some detail earlier in this thread. Those with the political influence to implement population controls by conning the sign-carriers not only take pride in killing babies they relish making it happen. To Makedde: Contraception methods vary: contraception (noun) Intentional prevention of conception or impregnation through the use of various devices, agents, drugs, sexual practices, or surgical procedures. I do not oppose them all. I do object to tax dollars paying for any form of contraception. Once tax dollars are available the baby killers will find a way to morph birth control into population control. Parenthetically, Clintons surgeon general, the inimitable Joycelyn Elders, wanted to teach children how to masturbate: NPR Honors Joycelyn Elders with 'Wisdom Watch' Celebrating Joy of Masturbation By Tim Graham | June 01, 2007 | 06:29 http://newsbusters.org/node/13137 That was the most absurd use of tax dollars ever proposed by a liberal. Also, note that National Public Radio receives tax dollars. In effect, every taxpayer is being forced to support an ideology they might not believe in.
When you would like to force every taxpayer to pay for your ideology, it's fine though? You even dare to go a step further and would like to use that taxpayer money to make the lives of women miserable whenever they have a miscarriage or an abortion. If you dislike NPR, you can just change the radio channel, but when justice comes for you, you can't just say, "No, thanks." One of the conservative American values is rugged individualism. I keep hearing that everyone is supposed to take their lives into their own hands and assume responsibility for all their actions. I'm fine with that to a large extent, but I don't get why pregnant women should be an exception to that rule. Could you explain that to me?
To Herby: Try to grasp this concept: Take responsibility before getting pregnant. Incidentally, for all of the whining one hears from parasites, one never hears about those females who deliberately get knocked up as a way to capture a husband-meal ticket. Its the oldest trap in the world. Id like to get a number on those pregnancies; especially when the sucker refuses to fall into the trap. I suspect that it is those women who scream the loudest about needing help.
Many deaths from illegal abortion were covered up by officials and the death certificates read something innocuous. The cover-ups were done for the benefit of families, to avoid the shame of unwed pregnancies. Not all the women died you know, most of them lived perfectly normal lives after having an illegal abortion. Nobody was complaining about it at all.
