"Stop Hiding Behind the Second Amendment"

Ok let's see if anyone agrees with you.

Any liberals willing to take up the torch here for Daniel?

 

I don't need to appeal to the masses. It is called our Second Amendment, for a reason.

 

I was just looking for one but it's crickets so far.

Yes, yes it is called the 2A for a reason. The Bill of Rights is also aptly named.

 

Yes, and, that includes States' rights and a State's security.

 

yes it did...it amended Article 1 Section 8 to ensure there was no doubt that the People had a right to keep and bear arms to ensure that the Militia would be properly equipped if Congress could not live up to their responsibility to arm them.

Check and mate.

 

No one is denying that fact. However, our Second Amendment claims it is well regulated militia that are necessary to the security of a free State, and may not be Infringed as a result. Not all of the militia is well regulated; well regulated militia are declared necessary. Thus, in any conflict of laws, well regulated militia may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

 

That is utter horsepucky. The 2nd Amendment is simple English (bolding is mine):

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Note it does not say that the militia has a right to keep and bear arms, it says the people have a right to keep and bear arms. Why? To ensure that the people, who are what militias are made up of, have arms if they are called upon to serve in the militia, which, since we didn't want large standing armies, is necessary for the security of the country.

You can attempt to baffle us with BS all you want, but two facts remain that all your wishes and BS cannot change:

1. The right of individuals to keep and bear arms is an unalienable human right that is not dependent on governments or constitutions.
2. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution further guarantees that right for Americans.

 

Nothing but appeals to ignorance instead of the plain meaning of the words?

The People are the militia. Not all of the People who are the militia are well regulated. Well regulated militia of the People are necessary to the security of free State.

It really is that simple, except to gun lovers and the Right.

 

You're the one who is playing word games here, sonny. If you want to continue to lie to yourself, that is your right...but the rest of us can read and understand plain English and are either going to simply ignore you because you are a harmless twit, or we're going to fight you if you attempt to restrict our unalienable human rights. It really is that simple.

 

You cannot ignore the first clause; simply because, the People are the militia.

 

You sir, are an idiot. I shall not waste any more time attempting to correct your mental deficiencies. Good day and good luck, you're gonna need it.

 

I am not the one who has nothing but fallacy to work with.

 

So you're asserting the 2nd amendment is only about the states rights to arm militias.

Laughable.

I guess the 1st Amendment only applies to state organized groups too huh?

 

You only get free speech if you are a member of the religion called the free press.

 

It is about the security of a free State not a free People. The People are the militia of a State, for a reason.

 

The Bill of Rights ensures individual rights. Still hasn't changed.

 

Now that IS funny. The tripe you keep spewing has absolutely NO BASIS IN FACT. The very rules of construction you continue to rely on mean exactly 180 degrees opposite of what you argue.

 

Not the Second. The Intent and Purpose is clearly in the first clause.

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You are welcome to cite the rules of construction instead of merely claiming you know what you are talking about.

 

Why should I cite them? You've done it literally thousands of times and EVERY person that has ever commented reads those rules to mean that the people have a Right to keep and bear Arms. And we're not just talking about posters... legislators, judges, even the United States Supreme Court has disagreed with your interpretation of those rules of construction. IF you were right, you'd be fighting this issue in the courts, not on a discussion board.

 

So now your argument is that the 2nd doesn't belong in the Bill of Rights.

Even more laughable.

Did it get lost or just misclassified?

 

because it is You claiming I am misusing those rules. why not cite them for clarification of your point or better illustration of your fallacy of appeal to ignorance.

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The Second Amendment is about Individual, State's rights.

 

Your BS is getting old. Go peddle it somewhere else - or at least come up with some new material.

Also the Second Amendment is ONLY about protecting an existing Right - an INDIVIDUAL Right. Get over it.

 

The people are the state

 

The military is subordinate to the civil power in every State.

 

Do gun fanciers have any suggestions whether society can reduce the frequency of children being shot to death or do they plead impotence?