STUNNING! IHME Reduces Their Model Predictions AGAIN! -- Now Say Peak Is ON EASTER and Only 60,000 D

What is the meaning of "recovery" of a Covid-19 infection? Remember, the United States is opening from the quarantine after all the right-wing protests against masks, and the George Floyd outrageous public murder protesters.

Remember, "It's only the flu."

 

None of these Covid-19 symptoms have been reported in the mainstream cable media because the media's role is to play down the seriousness of this disease.

In the SF Bay area the endlessly grinning psychopathic news readers have betrayed their audiences by acting as cheerleaders for corporate interest, especially sports teams. Each sports team has a gang color. During game seasons the sport team corporations literally take over the media and City Hall itself, ignoring sign ordinances and get a blank check to spend on police services and street cleaning.

The media networks here in the Bay Area, like our Senators, are silent on Trump's corruption, but instead they frame face-masking as a debate about government over-regulation, and question the necessity of a shutdown.

Then California began re-opening and the media suddenly became enthusiastic cheerleaders reporting the many stages of re-opening implying the process is "safe" while at the same time the California infection rates have doubled in the last few days as the nation enters a second national pandemic wave (see graph of US daily infection rates). 31,600 cases June 22 is the nearly the same as cases last April 8th of 31,700 at the peak of the US first wave.

Trump's policy now is to do NOTHING and that's okay with the media as we enter the second pandemic wave.

 

Where are the cons blaming the lunar trajectory rate for new infections in Florida and Tejas on Republican administrations ?
I seem to recall them claiming that NY and CA and democratic administrations fumbled the COVID19 response.

Now we're going to see some TRULY incompetent republican administrations in action.
130,000 dead as a monument to Dirty Donnie's incompetence so far ?

 

So if a Democrat had been in office, it would have been zero dead?

 

No, just tens of thousands fewer.

 

Excellent ! Not a hint of accepting responsibility, just deflection.

Sucks to be you, watching the greatest failure in history to protect the US by a chief executive and his regime after falling for his MAGA slop.

And , yes, a Democrat would have done much better, considering that the standard set by Dirty Donnie is utter failure.

 

OK you've got me interested..make your case.

 

So Trump is NOT responsible for 130,000 dead as you originally claimed. OK, we're making progress here. Tell me what number is Trump's responsibility?

 

Two primary pieces of evidence come to mind:

1) Democrats, across the board, were weeks earlier in devoting at least some of their messaging to the threat posed by the virus.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...l-the-story-of-an-escalating-covid-19-crisis/

2) Social Distancing Guidelines, if they were implemented just one week earlier, were estimated to have saved about 36,000 Americans.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/us/us-social-distancing-study-trnd/index.html

 

Somewhere around 40-60% of the deaths should be placed squarely on a failure of leadership given that countries like Germany, Iran, and Switzerland have a mortality rate that is anywhere from 40-60% less than the US.

 

I hope you are not surprised that your tweet link sounds absurd to me. I'm not sure how you translate that into policy.

Now your other link could have been translated into policy, I just don't believe it. Per the article, it relied on yet another model to come to that number. This thread in particular is replete with examples of why these models have been more or less useless in predicting real world effects, so I don't think you would be surprised that I regard it as a joke.

What I thought would be legitimate would be specific policy recommendations made by Pelosi or Biden, as leaders of the party, that would reflect Democratic handling of the crisis. What was there policy agenda and when did they call for it?

 

So if Frau Merkel had been the chancellor of Amerika, then the death rate would have been lower? Given how different the two countries are, that sounds nuts, but I'm open to some sort of policy explanation, but policy doesn't seem to be your strong suite.

 

Presently, 135,000. But we’re still counting.

Still can’t accept responsibility? Not making any progress at all, here.

 

SAY, HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT ALL THE STORIES ABOUT THE JUMP IN CORONAVIRUS CASES DON’T MENTION THE MASSIVE PROTESTS THAT TOOK PLACE 1-2 INCUBATION PERIODS AGO?

 

Yes, they do and they also conduct studies on the impact of those protests.

Black Lives Matter Protests, Social Distancing, and COVID-19

 

I am not suggesting that Pelosi or Biden needed to craft their own unique policy response to the virus, the policies imposed by Trump were correct, but they - including the ramp up to testing, production of PPEs, publicly discussing the threat of the virus, suggesting social distancing, and lockdown orders - were just implemented too slowly.

The first piece of evidence (the tweet study) was designed to demonstrate that Democrats took the virus serious earlier and thus would have been more likely to impose those policies.

The second piece of evidence is simply the best type of evidence, your faith in models notwithstanding, of trying to predict the potential outcomes of what could have happened if a different decision had been made in the past.

 

I don't think Trump should be flouting his own CDC's guidelines, do you? The President is an important person with the Bully Pulpit, so when a President during a pandemic downplays it, that's going to make people take it less seriously, and will result in more deaths.

So I think we can say without contradiction that a Democrat President would be practically killing themselves getting people to wear masks and social distance, and that would save lives. So yeah, less people would have died had a Democrat been President.

 

I guess we aren't making progress. I asked you back on post #679 if a Democrat had been in office, what the death toll be, and you've been dodging and weaving ever since.

 

Well it's hard to nail "what if's" with any specificity. All I can tell for sure is that Biden criticized the travel bans until April 3rd, when he finally agreed to them. So I'm trying to imagine a scenario in which we had taken all of those measures one week earlier, but didn't shut down our borders until April.

Hmmm...

 

That is amazing. I really thought that the Floyd protesters were going to get sick in mass. It turns out that a mask in a closed room is very effective and more so outdoors.
The fascists flouted masks pretending their religious rights were being violated and ideologically support The Fool--it is just an act of contrarianism.

During the 1980's some persons infected with HIV/Aids virus were arrested for not self-quarantining because the right-wing politicized the epidemic and spread panic.

Today, the fascists have politicized Covid-19 and made the mistake of believing their own propaganda, and now they are gradually realizing they made a terrible fatal mistake.

The Covid-19 "flu" causes the patients' skin to slide off when touched..some flu. Covid is now has completely escaped Pandora's Box so prepared for more mass death.

Here is the list of symptoms of those dying with Covid-19.

But it's too late:
Trump-loving governors finally realizing dangers of COVID-19 — and ‘reality is hitting them one by one’

The Covid-19 pandemic mass deaths became intentional once a vulnerable population was identified.

American Law Enforcement is not on your side, and they can't wait to dehumanized, torture, and murder you:
Three North Caroline Police Officers: ‘I can’t wait’ to ‘go out and start slaughtering’ Black people.

Pregnant Woman Loses Eye After Police Fire Bean Bag
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What would the death toll be ? LESS, MUCH MUCH LESS
Happy now ?

 

I see that this thread aged just wonderfully.

 

I would be happy if we could have a discussion based on evidence and reason. You don't seem open to that however.

 

~ Some very suspicious facts about this pandemic have yet to be revealed.

 

If you ARE interested in discussion based on evidence and reason then THAT is what you have to show interest in.

So far, your response is to attempt to defend Trump and to make accusations of partisanship.

You have to make a choice. You can not have it both ways.