Summary of Election Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election in the Swing States

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    Dont fall into their STRAWMAN. Everything you cite above as "evidence indicating VOTER fraud", actually all indicate ELECTION fraud. They love to respond to Trumps allegations of ELECTION fraud by showing the absence of evidence of VOTER fraud. Results in Fulton county arent off by probably 10-20,000 votes because of VOTER fraud by 10-20,000 voters and is instead off because a handful of election officials engaged in ELECTION fraud.
     
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    As well they are trying to argue that Trump isnt entitled to Presidential immunity for his actions, AFTER the election was over, because he was acting as a Presidential candidate, not a President. Absurd argument as it is his duty as President to see to it that Federal elections are open free and fair until Jan 20 when he leaves office.
     
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    Didnt find enough VOTER fraud. All of Trumps allegations are instead of ELECTION fraud.
     
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    November 3 - January 6 the law doesnt really provide for any court action to mandate forensic audits. Any disputes are governed by state law. Federal courts wont get involved until that state process is undertaken and complete. And if you are trying to get state law on elections enforced in state courts, they as well wont tend to get involved when the legislator has spelled out the process for disputes in federal elections. And once jan 6 certification is complete, courts avoid the topic because it is now moot.

    They should have picked Atlanta and maybe another state most egregious, filed civil lawsuits, make motions to preserve evidence, do the forensic audits, go through likely years of depositions which would likely expose the crimes of ELECTION fraud, likely another year of motions delays and appeals and get a civil judgement so at least the history books could be written accurately.
     
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    Okay. But many use voter fraud and election fraud interchangeably. Fund for example in his book "Our Broken Elections" which came out after the 2020 election talks of forging signatures on an absentee ballot as voter fraud.
     
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    The level of hubris being displayed is shocking. We have the internet. The people who led us down this path of destruction will be held to account by those of us still alive.
     
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    I am not a lawyer the Supreme Court could have forced a forensic analysis of the Pennsylvania vote if they had ruled to do so in consideration of the lawsuit filed by the State of Texas. Clarence Thomas was the dissenting justice and wrote a detailed opinion.


    Byrne, Patrick M. The Deep Rig: How Election Fraud Cost Donald J. Trump the White House, By a Man Who did not Vote for Him (pp. 86-88). Deep Capture LLC. Kindle Edition.
     
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    What "evidence" ? I hope you are referring to the toilet paper that his attorney offered up and then withdrew after the judge questioned whether or not he would stand by what was being offered. That's perjury and subject to disbarment.
     
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    The evidence in the linked pdf in the OP.

    For example:

     
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    Too bad you can't prove any of those fantasies with actual EVIDENCE. Since the vote was CERTIFIED by the state, you have a real problem.
     
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    A forensic audit was never done which would have proved or disproved fraud. The point is that this evidence (and the other ~30 pages of evidence) indicate that Trump was correct to question the election results in those five states. In fact it was his duty to question the results. The charges brought against Trump for questioning the results should be thrown out by the SCOTUS.
     
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    The absence of evidence is not evidence(re: a forensic audit). The Orange Stain was free to question election results in any states from the day after the election until the votes were certified by the states and then counted by the House. He utterly failed to prevail in any legal challenge. He is being prosecuted for alleged illegal actions taken by him to overturn certified election results. In fact, it is the duty of the DOJ to prosecute illegal actions of this nature. The SCOTUS should uphold this action by the DOJ as Constitutional and necessary.
     
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    There is evidence.
     
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    The evidence linked to in the first line of the first post in this thread. The evidence all of you have avoided like the plague for 3 pages of posts as you dash off to other 'evidence" you would rather discuss instead.
     
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    Again, what "EVIDENCE" ? Your link is to a "report" which is a compilation of opinions, not documented, sworn evidence presented in an official proceeding.
    The very first sentence of that report is a total lie. The fact is that the elections mentioned were all certified by the respective states. That is actual EVIDENCE that
    Joe Biden won.
     
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    Factual evidence with links to sources of election fraud is contained in the report. There is certainly enough evidence to support forensic audits in the five states covered in the report. The fact that this evidence was never presented in a court of law does not make it untrue. Certification means that when ordered voter recounts were done and any discrepancies were smaller that the margin of victory. Those recounts did not verify that election/voter fraud did not occur. Only a forensic audit traces ballots back to printing all the way through chain of custody and verification of absentee ballot signatures to mention just of few of the steps. Recounting possibly illegal ballots means nothing.

    But all this is meaningless now. The Trump administration blew it by assigning Guiliani to head up their effort instead of concentrating on forensic audits where the evidence indicated that fraud may have occurred. If the forensic audits showed no fraud then the election results were correct. We will never know for certain.

    But the point is that this list of evidence was justification for Trump questioning the election results in certain states. Any charges related to Trump's questioning must be dropped. The SCOTUS must rule accordingly.
     
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    These are statements of facts none of you have addressed.

    • Georgia was called by 11,779 votes.
    • Fulton County, Georgia, the most populous county in the state, has no digital record of all in person votes cast in its original results.
    • Not a single ballot purportedly cast during early in-person voting was witnessed to and signed off by poll managers, as required by Georgia election rules. Seals were broken and memory cards removed from tabulators for the results of these 315,000 votes, which were printed out on different machines than the ones that tabulated them. This prevented the reconciliation of how many votes were cast 3 on each machine.
    • The ballot images of these votes, along with the rest of in-person ballots cast on Election Day, were destroyed.
    • The vote in Georgia was counted three times: the original machine count, a statewide hand recount, and a second machine count. Each time the state, and Fulton County, reported three different results.
    • Fulton County did not count the same ballots during the original count and the machine recount. There are 19,541 distinct ballots that appear in one machine count but not the other.4
    • Thousands of fraudulent “presidential only” ballots were injected into the second machine count, with huge margins favoring Joe Biden. Ballots that are blank 5 except for the presidential contest were counted in batches together, with the pattern appearing in at least eight counties, including Fulton. This means Georgia did not have the votes to justify its original Election “results.”
     
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    Too bad none of this "evidence" was offered to challenge the election result that was subsequently certified by the state and counted by the House.
    Too bad none of these items are "facts" but instead innuendo, negative inferences and unrelated to the topic.

    I don't need to address any of these non-factual items since I have a state certified election result which was never successfully challenged in court.
     
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    Yes it was too bad. In my opinion Trump won the election but fraudulent votes and election fraud in the five swing states and specifically in the cities of Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Phoenix, and Las Vegas resulted in Biden being named 46.

    As a result we got runaway inflation, Russian invasion of Ukraine, and a human tidal wave of illegal aliens crossing the southern border.
     
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    Whether Biden won the election or not and what happened subsequent are 2 different issues. If Trump was President things could be better, worse or the same and there would be different issues. It is just as nonsensical as when Dems claim how much better that they would have handled COVID in 2020. Impossible to prove one way or the other.

    You keep bringing up Philly and refuse to intelligently answer what I raised before. I have been raising this for 3+ years and either it gets ignored or I get the rare non-sensical answer

    I will type slowly so that it is understandable

    The net difference in Philly in 2020 was slightly better for Trump than it was in 2016. He did not lose PA because of Philly. He lost 120K+ net votes in the rest of the state vs 2016. So the fraud in Philly nonsense does not explain why he lost the state. Please explain why he lost 120K votes in the rest of the states without mentioning Philly. TIA
     
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    And even after all your complaints, we’re still better off than with a con man felon like the Orange Stain as President.

    In my opinion, of course.
     
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    We are better of with high inflation and 3 million illegal aliens per year coming across the southern border?
     
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    Absolutely, compared to the COVID deaths that would have resulted from the incompetence of the Orange Stain, the even higher inflation we would have had under his “cut taxes on the wealthy” regime, and his inability to control the border and con job claim to make Mexico pay for the wall .

    Have we gotten a check yet for the 4 years he was in office ?
     
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    I suggest that you read slowly so that you understand:

    Pennsylvania - “Wrong is wiped out by reconciliation.”

    • Pennsylvania was called by 80,555 votes.

    •Months after the election, there were 121,240 more votes than voters, according to the Pennsylvania Department of State. By law, Pennsylvania cannot certify an election with this type of discrepancy. 55

    •Republican lawmakers, led by State Representative Frank Ryan, were tracking the vote discrepancy in real time in the Statewide Uniform Registry of Electors (SURE) system. Ryan, a certified public accountant, initially reported that there were 170,830 more votes than voters in the Presidential race, more than twice the margin in Pennsylvania. “These numbers just don’t add up, and the alleged 56 certification of Pennsylvania’s presidential election results was absolutely premature, unconfirmed, and in error,” the lawmakers said.

    •The Pennsylvania Department of State’s office called this “obvious misinformation,” while admitting the “only way to determine the number of voters who voted in November from the SURE system is through the vote histories,” which they said Philadelphia, Allegheny, and other counties had still not completed — an admission the election was certified without ensuring the number of voters and votes matched in the SURE system. The election was certified on Nov. 24, 2020, and the Department of State’s statement came on Dec. 29, 2020.

    •The SURE system was checked and downloaded weekly with updated voter histories from the general Election until all the counties uploaded their vote histories, which was not completed until February 2021. At this time there were still over 121,000 votes that did not have a corresponding voter in the SURE system.

    •The statement by the Department of State “that the voting would reconcile, once the counties completed their SURE uploads, was incorrect,” according to Verity Vote. “When the final county finished uploading their voter histories and closed the election in SURE, it was February 1, 2021, which was the same day that [Secretary of State Kathy] Boockvar announced her resignation. At the time that Philadelphia closed the election in SURE, the voter histories showed that the county accepted at least 7,944 ballots that could not be associated with a registered voter.”

    • Pennsylvania credited 71,893 people for voting who returned mail-in ballots after Election Day, and these individuals were included in the voter history files. This includes 50,285 received between Nov. 4 and Nov. 6; 11,570 received between Nov. 7 and Nov. 11; and 10,038 that were received on or after Nov. 12. Boockvar claimed only 10,000 ballots were received between the close of the polls on Election Day and Nov. 6. 57

    •While 71,893 people received credit for voting by mail, these votes purportedly did not count. Even while including these voters in the total number of who participated in the Election, Pennsylvania still came up 121,240 voters short.

    •According to the Department of State data, there were 7,035,746 ballots cast in the 2020 Presidential Election, including all write-in votes, over-votes, and under-votes. “After all counties closed the election in SURE, only 6,914,556 voters were credited with participation in the 2020 General Election. This reveals a voter deficit of 121,240.”

    In Philadelphia, hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots were unlawfully counted in secret, in defiance of a court order, while Republican poll watchers were thrown out of buildings where voting took place. 58

    •U.S. Attorney Bill McSwain was told to stand down and not investigate election irregularities by Attorney General Bill Barr. McSwain said he was instructed to 59 not discuss the allegations of voter fraud he received, and to pass any “serious” investigations along to then-State Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a Democrat who promised days before the election that President Trump “is going to lose.” 60

    •Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook poured over $25 million into the administration of the election in Pennsylvania in 2020. Over $10 million went to the Democrat-61 controlled jurisdiction of Philadelphia, which included $5.5 million on “ballot processing equipment” and $552,000 for drop boxes. 62

    •A lawsuit filed in Delaware County revealed video evidence of election officials discussing destroying election evidence from the November 2020 Election. 63 “It’s a felony,” one official says after talking about the need to “get rid” of voting “pads and second scanners.” Sources involved in the litigation alleged the Delaware County officials violated numerous election laws and that the destruction of records was “done to ensure records eventually provided actually matched the election results that were reported in Nov. 2020.”

    •Delaware County received $2.2 million from Zuckerberg’s Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL), which it spent on “recruiting and training a sufficient number of poll workers; setting up drop box locations for voters to return ballots,” and other Get Out the Vote efforts. 64

    •The election integrity group True the Vote said Philadelphia was the worst offender it witnessed when investigating the widespread ballot trafficking scheme operating across multiple Swing States in 2020. They identified 1,155 ballot traffickers who each visited at least 10 drop boxes and five nongovernmental organizations. Some ballot traffickers made hundreds of trips to 65 drop boxes.


    55 Verity Vote, ‘Pennsylvania Voter Deficit’, Feb. 10, 2021, https://verityvote.us/pennsylvania-voter-deficit/ 55 ‘DOS responds to Republican lawmakers' claim of election numbers discrepancy’, NBC 6 WJAC TV,
    56 Dec. 28, 2020, https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-re...inds-presidentialelection-numbers-dont-add-up
    57 Zach Montellaro, ‘Pennsylvania’s top election officer says just 10,000 ballots were received after Nov. 57 3’, Politico, Nov. 10, 2020, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...-000-ballots-were-received-after-nov-3-435972 ‘Trump Campaign News Conference on Pennsylvania Vote Count’, C-Span.org, Nov. 5, 2020, https://
    58 www.c-span.org/video/?477856-1/trump-campaign-news-conference-pennsylvania-vote-count Letter from William M. McSwain, June 9, 2021, https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/djtweb/general/
    59 Letter_to_President_Trump.pdf
    60 Pennsylvania's Democratic AG sparks outrage from Trump supporters for saying president may havealready lost the battleground state before the votes have even been counted’, Daily Mail, Nov. 2, 2020, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rage-sayingTrump-lost-win-state-election.html Center for Tech and Civic Life's (CTCL) grants to election agencies, 2020, Ballotpedia, https://
    61 ballotpedia.org/Center_for_Tech_and_Civic_Life's_(CTCL)_grants_to_election_agencies,_2020 John Finnerty, ’GOP lawmakers question private donations to counties ahead of election’, CNHI News,
    62 April 9, 2021, https://www.cnhinews.com/pennsylvania/article_9b907b80-996f-11ebad35-5b6772815c14.html Bradley Vasoli, ’It’s a Felony:’ A New Lawsuit, with Video Evidence, Alleges Delaware County,
    63 Pennsylvania Election Officials Destroyed Voting Records’, the Ohio Star, Nov. 18, 2021, https:// theohiostar.com/news/its-a-felony-a-new-lawsuit-with-video-evidence-alleges-delaware-countypennsylvania-election-officials-destroyed-voting-records/bvasoli/2021/11/18/ ‘Delaware County Awarded $2.2 Million Grant for Safe Elections’, Aug. 19, 2020, https://delcopa.gov/
    64 publicrelations/releases/2020/safeelectionsgrant.html
     
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    Trump did exactly what Fauci told him to do. The problem was that Fauci was wrong. Sweden did the right thing.

    Trump's policies including forcing aliens to remain in Mexico reduced illegal immigration to ~ 800,000. Compare that to 3 million per year under Biden.

    Mexico paid for the wall by agreeing to trade agreements more beneficial to US workers.

    Price inflation under Biden had nothing to do with tax revenues.
     

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