Supreme Court allows Texas to begin enforcing controversial immigration law

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    The Supreme Court on Tuesday cleared the way for Texas to immediately begin enforcing a controversial immigration law that allows state officials to arrest and detain people they suspect of entering the country illegally.

    The court’s three liberals dissented.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/19/poli...cing-controversial-immigration-law/index.html

    Good call. Crazy that we even have to debate a topic like this. What are your thoughts?
     
  2. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think it was crazy for anyone to think a law enforcement agency of any type would be forbidden to enforce laws specific laws. What's even crazier is how libs along with Biden & Co sued to allow illegals to both enter and roam the country at will. This is how I know Biden will not enforce any kind of border security bill no matter what he says.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The rule of law only has value when they agree with the laws.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Some people are definitely not consistent
     
  5. independentthinker

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    I still say we need to stop them from coming in in the first place instead of trying to figure out what to do with them after the fact. I worked in retail and was an inventory/shrinkage expert for many years. If you let people steal and then try to catch them after the fact you have already lost the ballgame. You need to have procedures in place so they don't steal in the first place so you don't have to deal with them afterwards. That's what we need to do at the border. It's twofold:

    1. put policies in place discouraging them from even coming

    2. don't let them cross the border at all

    If you are effective at this then you don't need to find them or figure out what to do with them after the fact because they won't be here.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you point out the inconsistency?
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Seems mello guy believes illegal immigration is a victimless crime.
     
  8. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps he didn't grow up in my neighborhood.
     
  9. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    I’d love to see how someone’s immigration status harmed you. Like I said, not everyone is consistent.
     
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    That’s only because it is.
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Interesting opinion, very unique.
     
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    Thank you for asking. I grew up in a gang infested neighborhood. Illegal immigration allows gangs to strengthen their numbers and strengthen their grip on the poor neighborhoods they control.

    In elementary school, I was given busy work so the ESL students could catch up. This ate up 1-2 hours a day and hindered learning for the rest of us. One of the ESL students started a fight with me. He then got his gang banger, big brother involved and they threatened to kill me and my family. I cut through back yards on my way home so they wouldn't find out where I lived. Try falling asleep with that on your mind!

    When I was a tween, I was robbed at gunpoint on my way to the library. I was robbed at knifepoint at the park that eventually became unsafe for families. While shopping for groceries, the cashier and I got to look down the barrel of a pistol as the robber demanded cash "Or I will keel you!". He did end up assaulting the cashier.

    My high school was so dangerous, the school paper had an obituary section! Gang violence was a daily occurrence. Students were stabbed and even shot.

    This was 40+years ago. Now, its much worse.

    I hope that you never experience fearing for your life like I did growing up. I was very fortunate to have raised my kids in a safe neighborhood.
     
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    As I understand it, any powers not delegated to the federal government nor prohibited
    to it, are vested in the states or the people. (10th Amendment)

    So if the US govt is not interested in controlling the Southern border then it is up to the
    states on the US side of the Southern border, or the people in them, to set up suitable
    protections.
     
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    The challenge here is that the Biden administration is falsely claiming to be attempting to enforce border security.
     
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    So their crime harmed not their immigration status. Do gangs of black people mean that being black harms people? You’re reaching big time. Can I claim white school shooters prove being white should be a crime?
     
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    Isn't it already illegal to be in the states illegally? Does this mean that cops don't need probable cause to start hauling people in?

    I'm just curious as to how this differs from current laws already on the books.

    Also, if this does mean that they don't need probable cause, doesn't this just open the floodgates for potential abuse?
     
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    So the bullet harmed, not the gun.
    Being black harms people, no. Being in a gang harms people, yes. The group, not the skin color.
     
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    Gangs were already a problem and illegal immigration adds to it. If you are here for an honest discussion, please research the subject. MS13 and other gangs strengthen their numbers through illegal immigration and referring to existing gang crime doesn't refute these facts. It is the weakest defense. "Your honor, I only murdered 2 people. Look at that group that murdered several more!"

    Its easy for you to trivialize the harm inflicted on others from the safety of your computer screen.

    Please explain how false statements win.
     
  19. The Mello Guy

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    And being in a gang has nothing to do with immigration status.
     
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    The gang activity is the crime and there are victims. Immigration status has nothing to do with it.
    Amazing you think buying a gun illegally has no victim but still try this argument. It’s ridiculous. Good thing none of those gang members have illegal guns!
     
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    I was responding to the example in your post. If someone is illegally in the country their presence is unlawful. Your argument is like saying speeding and drunk driving are victimless crimes because not all of them will physically harm someone.
     
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    So it really isn't an immigration policy it's an illegal alien policy.

    The fact that you need a supreme Court to say yes you can arrest and detain criminals and your jurisdiction is absurd.
     
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    He literally used your own words against you........"were their is no victim, there is no crime".....
     
  24. The Mello Guy

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    Drunk driving is inherently dangerous. Being here illegally is not.
     
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    Immigration status it doesn't harm people immigration is legal status.

    This is really about illegal aliens. And they don't have to hurt me in order to be a plague on the community.

    Illegal aliens that are involved in human trafficking. Where children are trafficked as sex slaves.

    I guess you just want pedophiles to be able to molest all the children they want. They're just brown people they're not as good as you anyway are they
     

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