Supreme Court allows Texas to begin enforcing controversial immigration law

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Trafficking and molestation are separate crimes and have nothing to do with immigration status.
    Unless you’re claiming someone here legally could never be involved in those crimes, it’s a dishonest argument.
     
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    Millions of people paying obscene amounts of money to drug cartels to smuggle them across the Rio Grande River is extremely dangerous for the individuals and our border communities as well as America as a whole. Why do you believe that isn't dangerous?
     
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  3. The Mello Guy

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    And many don’t. Their status has no victim. Other things they may do might, but being here illegally is a victimless crime.
     
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    How many more overdoses, murders, rapes, and sexual assaults do you need before you believe it's dangerous to allow this to continue? Do you know the percentage of women and underage girls who come across the border that end up getting raped and sexually assaulted? Texas is enforcing physical border security measures. Your cop-out of visa overstays or whatever it is that lets you write off all the overdoses, murders, and rapes from your conscious is absurd. This activity is extremely dangerous for America and only strengthens the cartels.
     
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    The concept of allowing anyone and everyone in our country unchecked is dangerous to our citizens. And they need to leave to protect our citizens.

    I presume you don't let anyone and everyone come into your locked house for the same reason.
     
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    LoL "controversial" immigration law.

    It's build the wall o' thirty.
     
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    Or enforced when they don't.
     
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    Every other country manages to do this, but ours due to its unique history has a "liberal" interpretation of "gather your hungry masses"(It's not even a law, it's a freaking poetic line!) that makes it so that if we for example fortified the border, that would be challenged as this case was(Remember how agape they were at the travel ban list)

    Truth be told, since these people are fleeing the economically disadvantaged Latin American States, and since Mexico is geographically connected to North America, we should have completely annexed the country which was the original goal of the 1848 war.

    We should still completely annex it, since they're coming over here anyway, we might as well domestically govern the area and put down the cartels ourselves. Seizing Mexico would be a show of force that would incentivize the rest of Latin America to improve their domestic situations so as to prevent border crossings.
     
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    Agreed but it is a fundamental component of criminal entry of the country which has nothing to do with immigration.

    This is about people who have no immigration status at all. Criminals who enter the country illegally.
    Human trafficking is absolutely involved in getting people across the border illegally. and children who are illegal aliens are often abused.

    Immigration doesn't require human trafficking it's legal.

    Why are you so supportive of human trafficking what's wrong with you? Do you just see brown people is less of a person than you?
     
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    Take your front door off your house and prove it.
     
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    You are only supporting my consistent position on this issue. Their immigration status places them in a position to cause harm. It appears that you are not informed when it comes to illegal immigration and gang proliferation.

    I only gave anecdotal examples. I still have more: the burden on tax payers, the gang crime from illegal immigrants, sexual predators, extortion, drugs, illegal gun sales, human trafficking, child sex offenders, etc. My position is on solid ground that this added crime and burden to society does product victims. The fact that we already have crime does not refute these facts and is no defense.

    BTW, guns were and still are bring sold by illegal immigrant gang members, In high school, an AK47 ran about $100.

    Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime.
     
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    He's right though. A dozen Haitians named "Barbeque" sitting in his living room isn't inherently dangerous.

    I wonder if he's up to the challenge.

    They are encouraging leftists to house illegals. Wonder how many of them have volunteered.
     
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    He used my words to reinforce my consistent, and solid position. Now all I have to do is destroy the argument that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. Thats will be easy.
     
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    Those are all separate crime from being here illegally. Why can’t you discuss this honestly?
     
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    All valid points but has nothing to do with my point that illegal immigration is a victimless crimes
     
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    I fully support going after human traffickers. But illegal immigration is a victimless crime.
     
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    If I do, are you promising I’m only at risk from someone based on their immigration status?
    I didn’t think so
     
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    But illegal gun buying is. you know how laughable that sounds?
    There is no evidence that illegals increase crime.
     
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    Claiming some illegals commit other crimes does not make illegal immigrantion a crime with a victim.
     
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    Who says it's controversial?
     
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    Whoever says being here illegally is a victimless crime then I have some news for you. If my tax dollars are going to illegals rather than community services, then those community services are the victims. If an illegal takes a job that my son can now longer get, then my son is a victim. If classrooms are over crowded and dumbed down because the illegals can't habla and are illiterate, then legal school kids are the victims.

    Anything given to an illegal at the expense of taxpayers make taxpayers the victim.

    Here's an interesting clip from the Musk/Lemon interview.

     
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    Those are all arguments against legal immigration also lol
     
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    There is no such thing as illegal immigration. Immigration is strictly legal.

    It isn't victimless. It creates a subcategory of humans is surf class. And a lot of innocent people are injured and abused as a result.

    To say it's a victimless is to despise the people involved in or to say they're less than human.

    They don't deserve as much as a citizen or an immigrant and that's the whole point so you can have slaves and cheap vegetables.

    The only reason you want them here so you can have slaves.
     
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    There's no such thing as illegal immigrants so legal immigrant is superfluous the word is immigrant saying that they're in immigrant necessarily says that they are legal.

    Illegal aliens are not in any way shape or form immigrants.

    You spit upon people who immigrated when you call them that because you're saying to them they're just as low as your slaves. And they should take vegetables for less than what we pay an American teenager and they shouldn't have workers comp.

    I can't believe you hate immigrants this much.
     
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    It’s our laws that make their labor cheaper, not them coming in. If that was your real concern you would support amnesty for those already here so they can make better wages. Do you?
     
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