Suspect in Paul Pelosi attack was in U.S. illegally, DHS says

You mean the illegal alien who was a BLM supporter living in a van?
You're gonna have a hard time selling that. lol

 

This just in. Hitting old men with hammers is illegal even if you're a citizen. Republicans dumfounded

 

This just in. Hitting old men with hammers is illegal. Democrats introduce bill to make hammers illegal.

 

I'll ask you two questions, since you seem to profess yourself as "smarter than the average republican".

First I'll establish some basic foundational facts that everyone seems to agree on:

1. This gentleman was in the country illegally when he committed this crime, and had been for many years.
2. This gentleman had a long list of prior interactions with police, some even resulting in felony convictions.
3. This gentleman's whereabouts were well known to the police, for years.​

The questions no one wants to address: Given the aforementioned facts, how and why was this gentleman allowed to remain illegally AT LARGE in our peaceable society, so that he could continuously VICTIMIZE our citizens, for years? Do you believe the leftist policies of "catch-and-release" and "sanctuary cities" had anything at all to do with it?

 

She claimed that he was more left than he was right. I suspect he dabbled in both radical forums.

 

You'll have to show me where I said the fact the guy was an illegal alien means the attack was not politically motivated.

 

This just in. A Canadian can't hit people with hammers in San Francisco if they're in Canada where they belong.

 

No, not really. Those are systems to keep us from imprisoning thousands of productive citizens we desperately NEED. Our main problems here have to do with our abysmal mental health systems and the idea that we just don't like locking up our real crazies. No, we shouldn't imprison Elwood P. Dowd but that doesn't mean we have to let Michael Myers loose either.

That guy really should have been in an institution where he could have gotten help and that's probably where he'll end up now.

Our real problems here have to do with the fact that the RW is recruiting these people for their army. Given his record, I was surprised mainly by the fact that he wasn't in Congress co-sponsoring the "Let's Beat Old Men With Hammers" bill along with Boebbert and MTG

 

.You can't solve your problems by turning the US into a Hermit Kingdom

 

We have two kinds of immigrants, legal, which means they passed background checks and have no diseases, and illegal.

 

I'm sorry, but that is one of the craziest things I've heard anyone say here. People who are committing FELONIES are not productive. Illegal aliens are not citizens. We do not need to be spending zillions of dollars on the mental health of people who are not here legally. We need to send them back to whence they came.

 

Undocumented aliens commit fewer crimes than any other major group, this is documented fact, look it up.

We need these people, one of the reasons for our current inflation is that we are deporting people we need. This drives prices up

With all due respect, you need to stop letting your bigotry rule your thinking and inform yourself as to the actual facts of the situation.

 

Did you miss the bit about him being a Canadian??

 

Yeah! Ban all Canadians - they deserve it for being too polite

 

If they are in the country illegally, then sure.. banish them.

 

what are those major groups? people with felony records? people with juvenile records? people with misdemeanor convictions. Federal prisons are full of illegal aliens for serious crimes such as drug running

 

https://ncpolicywatch.com/2021/08/0...-crime-research-shows-they-commit-a-lot-less/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...sted-for-violent-crimes-as-u-s-born-citizens/

I don't know why I go to all this trouble except that it isn't really any since this is so well known. You'll probably just come back with something from Snarly McShitforbrains Real Redneck's Blog that says he talked to a guy on a prison detail one time who couldn't even speak English goodly and how do I like that Mr Scientific American?

 

THIS illegal alien... the one who is the topic of this thread... the one we are discussing here, SHOULD have been deported, years ago, when he began victimizing our citizens. The only thing that prevented that, and thereby is wholly to blame for Mr. Pelosi's attack, is the leftist policy of "sanctuary city" and "catch-and-release". If he had been deported like he should have been, Paul Pelosi would not have been bludgeoned with a hammer.

Your attempt to deflect and shut down the conversation by pulling the race card is pathetic. Frankly, you should look in the mirror before using the word "bigotry" to describe anyone else. Your own bigotry against republicans, for nearly a decade now, is legendary here.

 

nah,I come back with the fact that I was front line DOJ trial attorney for 24 years and had numerous contacts in friends spread out all over the USA in US Attorneys office including the USA for the SD Ca. who noted that she could have spent every minute of every attorney in her office prosecuting illegals for serious felonies in the San Diego area. We are always going to have home grown mopes but there is absolutely no reason to import them. Most of the illegals are either here to suck off the public tit or to commit crimes.

 

Most of the illegals are productive citizens who have overstayed their visas and can't meet the quota for getting a green card but who am I to bring up things like well-known facts to a hotshot attorney who thinks his own experience is everything there is.

 

https://irli.org/new-fair-study-ill...mHYF7BLs91epUrxpS8PZBtZn-uLhb38BoCPAwQAvD_BwE

• the staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.

• All told, the nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien and citizen child prior to taxes paid, or $6,940 per person after taxes are paid.

• On the federal level, medical ($17.14 billion) is by far the highest cost, with law enforcement coming second ($13.15 billion) and general government services ($8 billion) third.

 

uh...don't these costs apply to normal citizens as well?

 

You keep using this word, "citizens". I don't think it means what you think it means. Illegal aliens are NOT citizens. Citizens are entitled to the costs incurred by their government to service them. Illegal aliens are not.

 

Citizens or not these people are necessary or they wouldn't be able to find work here. Look around you and see all the businesses that are begging people to come work for them. Why do you want to throw out people who are mostly working, and at jobs no American was available to fill? Unfilled jobs mean things not made and that costs us all money.

 

Strawman. I have not advocated for that.

I'll play the strawman game with you: Why do you insist on subjecting our citizens to the victimization of violent criminals who should not have been allowed to remain in the county at all?