Swine flu verses Covid-19

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  1. Josephwalker

    Josephwalker Banned

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    Right, Obama stopped swine flu in its tracks. lol
    October 24, 2009, President Barack “Obama declared Swine Flu a national emergency in the United States. On November 12, 2009, the CDC reported an estimated 22 million Americans had been infected with 2009 A H1N1 and 4,000 Americans have died.
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    Retarding would be a better word. Slow it from an unabated level.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    What "panic"?

    Do you think that Trump's now capitulating to public health and epidemiological experts, denizens of the demonic "deep state," is a consequence of his "panicking"?
     
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    Empty store shelves empty airports empty schools equals panic
     
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    If you are claiming that store shelves, schools, and airports are empty now, but were not then, it follows that the populace was more assured then.

    Trump, predictably, tried to weasel out of his failure to lead by lashing out irrationally, whining that the previous administration's response to H1N1 swine flu "was a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now!"

    Hus raving goes against what the record actually shows.

    Here's what the HHS report showed the Obama Administration did right:

    • Communication about where the virus was found.

    • Identification of the people at highest risk for "severe disease."

    • Fast regulatory authorization of diagnostic tests.​

    But there were problems:

    • National surveillance data wasn't specific enough to detect rapid changes.

    • It took too much time to "collect, validate, summarize, and disseminate surveillance data."

    • Roles of federal agencies needed to be better defined and communication with military and homeland security officials needed clarification.

    • More timely, clinical guidance was needed on the best treatment for seriously ill, hospitalized patients.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...1-n-1-swine-flu-response-but-true/5045910002/

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/w...-disaster-as-president-trump-said/ar-BB11ae44
     
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    Democrats media induced hysteria is the only difference. Well that and the death rate from swine flu which dwarfed this new cold virus. Media downplayed that while they give us a daily body count of corona.
     
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    You are making the case that the American populace was more assured by the previous administration and the reportage of that time.

    Lacking confidence in today's media coverage is validated by such fake news such as Fox Business' performer Trish Regan denouncing COVID-19 as a "scam," and Fox News entertainer Laura Ingraham urging her audience to ignore the "left's coronavirus fearmongering."

    Now that Trump is finally acknowledging reality and deferring to knowledgable and competent "deep state" denizens such as Anthony Fauci, Fox will stop parroting his nonsense, but Americans have not been reassured by the squalid performance we have seen.
     
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    Wrong. I'm making the case that the democrats media is crying fire in a crowded theatre. They are purposely attempting to panic the American people over a virus far less deadly than the Swine flu. Difference is Obama was president then so they glossed it over and downplayed it, no daily death count no predictions of running out of hospital space no fear mongering.
     
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    One could only wish that the virus had developed in a non-election year. Some idiot said no crisis should be wasted. This one certainly wasn't.
     
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    Your hyper-ideologically hidebound cant fails to account for Trump suddenly reversing his attempts to dismiss or minimize the risk and now ordering, belatedly, major measures to deal with the formidable challenge. Do you believe that he has been brainwashed by your "liberal media" in no longer embracing Fox's declaring the pandemic a "scam" and ignoring the "left's coronavirus fearmongering"?

    Could it be that Trump has been "flipped" to the point that he no longer accepts radio entertainer Limbaugh's proclamation, “Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks!"

    Worldwide, nations have enacted policies to reduce the impact of what is a global threat.

    If you wish to blame the US media (excluding those outlets that pander to you) for governments around the world taking the problem seriously, I seriously doubt that it has the sort of control you imagine.
     
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    At first Trump reacted to the virus itself but now he has been forced to react to the hysteria which is far more dangerous than the virus.
     
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    Thank You for the above.


    I survived the THREATS of Swine Flu, SAR with only a 99.7% chance of survival
    and West Nile Virus, endemic mosquito borne disease in Orange County, California.
    oopsy, many had antibodies compatible with previous infection and didn't know they wer sick or had "mild symptoms" that all got better like a cold.


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    If you need to cast Trump's finally capitulating to medical professionals, experienced public health and epidemiological experts, by finally enacting policies that are characteristic of all responsible, advanced nations as a consequence of his being a weakling, rather than his abiding by a radio entertainer's bellowing "Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks!" so be it.
     
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    Why do right wing conspiracy theorists keep forgetting there is a world outside of America??

    Oooops! I know! There is no “outside America” - the rest of the globe are just “fake news”! :roll:
     
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    Hysteria has taken over the country. It was a hysteria Trump saw coming and attempted to mitigate but the media prevailed so now he has to respond to the hysteria.
     
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    Rest of the world is not my immediate concern and has nothing to do with whats going on in America.
     
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    "Hysteria" as seem by a Trumper:

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    Is the coronavirus problem just going to go away as Trump had claimed?
    No, from Fauci. It is serious, and it is going to get worse.
    Is the testing system “perfect” as Trump had claimed?
    No, it is not working as it should.
    Is the U.S. once again the greatest of all nations in its response to the threat?
    No, it is behind in crucial aspects, and has much to learn from others.

    Rationality as seen by a Trumper:

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    "Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. I’m dead right on this!
    The coronavirus is the common cold, folks!"
     
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    You have NO proof of that! In fact we are observing just the opposite in spite of Tramps best efforts to fudge the data.
     
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    First of al, there is no Democratic media, it is CORPORATE media, and to borrow a favorite line from Tramp, nobody knows that better than you.
    And the rest of your post is pure hogwash! Here are some of the headlines from the corporate media.
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    Trumps travel ban on China clear back in January retarded the spread if the virus. Proof is Europe who chose not to restrict travel from China.
     
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    It was already here retarding nothing but Trumpists.
     
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    Nothing compared to the 24-7 coverage and daily body count of Corona which was dwarfed by the Swine flu.
     
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    The same "hysteria" that has caused the American people to look to medical experts for truthful and reliable information concerning the pandemic has, apparently, been inflicted across the globe by America's "liberal media" ( that excludes fawning Trump bum kisser propaganda outlets, of course.)
    ... and Boris doesn't even pretend to know more about hurricane forecasts that hurricane forecasters!

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    I'm sure it was already here but the travel ban on China served to limit more infections from the epicenter of the epidemic just as the ban on travel from Europe will do now.
     

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