Syria's large Christian minority cowers in alarm

The whole Lebanese government was structured around the Christian v Muslim demographic.

There were no "sensitive" religious issues until the Palestinian refugees showed up.. I spent a heck of a lot of time in Lebanon and had close Lebanese friends.. both Christian and Muslim in the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s.

Israel has always had ambitions in Lebanon.. they wanted a free hand to annex Southern Lebanon to the Litani river.. because it is a fertile area.

 

I've checked some of your older posts, and it seems your age changes from thread to thread. If you had "friends" back in the 50s, you'd be in your 70s - which does not jive with earlier posts.

Second, you'll need to show proof that as official policy, israel planned to attack lebanon and annex this land.

This claim is particularly weak since israel willingly and voluntarily exited all of lebanon back in 2000.

 

I was in Arabia when Israel left Lebanon in 2000.. It really wasn't voluntary.. Actually I was at the Ministry of Defense that morning to meet Prince Salman.. and watched the US ambassador pacing the floor for a half hour.

Israeli parents had been complaining to the government for several years about their kids being deployed in Lebanon.

Read the diaries of Moshe Dayan and Sharret.. They planned the 1967 war beginning around 1953 because they wanted more land and water resources.. including Lebanon's rivers and the Aquifers in the West bank and Gaza.

The memoir details the deliberate and continuous incursions into Lebanon and provocations by Israel.

Of course I had friends in Lebanon from the 1950s. I had many Lebanese classmates from Lebanon.. my family went there for two weeks every year.. and many of my American classmates later attended ACS and AUB.

You really should broaden your view.. It would be the best thing for Israel and the whole region.

 

And that explains why israel did not attack lebanon until 1978, after being shelled with artillery and enduring one terrorist attack after another from PLO terrorists operating on lebanese soil for years?

There was no official israeli policy to annex part of lebanon, so stop lying about it.

"Provocations by israel"? Are you for real?

The ma'alot massacre and other atrocities, including by that scum kuntar came from lebanon, including relentless artillery shelling from lebanon into the northern israeli towns.

If you knew a tenth as much of history as you claimed, you'd know that it was the expulsion of the PLO fighters into lebanon from jordan that significantly increased the terrorism against israel from lebanon.

 

???

After the death of their leader, Bachir Gemayel, the Phalangists entered the camps to get 'revenge.' They massacred hundreds of innocents.

It turned out that a MARONITE had assassinated Gemayel. How was the massacre of hundreds of innocents justified? You've yet again conveniently ignored my comment about intra-Christain violence.

 

Read Moshe Dayan's diaries.. they were published after his death by his children and the children of Sharett.. the Israeli government tried to stop it.

I am surprised that you don't know any of these facts.

The incursions into Lebanon began in the early 1950s. The Israelis would send in a backhoe and dump truck followed by pick up trucks full of armed soldiers.

They would scrape up the topsoil, put it n the dump trucks.. and when the peasant farm families ran at them throwing rocks and screaming, they shot them.

They were just small massacres. 12 to 15 people at a time... but it happened regularly.. and was reported o the BBC and Voice of America.

The PLO wasn't formed until 1964.. The Jewish terror gangs were formed in the early 1920s.

I suppose we have different values... but the European Jews arrived as refugees seeking sanctuary and immediately began to abuse the Palestinian population both Christian and Muslim.

Its pretty difficult to see the Israelis as "victims".

 

Not to funny considering what the Muslims have been doing to the Lebanese Christians for the last 3 decades.

 

Elaborate. I have already discussed how in the Civil War everyone was killing each other; it was not, as ignorant simpletons like to believe, simply Muslim vs Christian.

 

This was thanks to Western friendly dictatators giving rise to business friendly conditions wasn't it? Had the West not supported your dictators then your Islamist dictators would have been in power and the Forbes list would probably contain the three and list them as Eygptian Copts however residing somewhere in the West not in Egypt.

You seem to be suggesting that the W*est should support the Syrian dictator as the best option and yet you pile blame on the West for making that choice previously in Egypt! Looks like you blame the West no matter what.

 

If it wasn't for the well known islamo culture of deception used by the Arabs what you call facts might be seen as more than accusations by bitter people who think that they are owed something because they are part of the Arab trash swiped from other Arab countries into Palestine so that they didn't have to deal with them.

Telling the BBC that Israel did X. Y or Z is their hobby. And the BBC reports it as fact.

 

I don't recall Christians cutting off arms and murdering children in front of their pregnant mothers after they cut off their breasts, and I certainly don't recall the Christians murdering the Muslim Prime Minister not less than a decade ago.

 

As far back as 1954?

Heavens.. the Arabs have always been in Palestine since the time of Abraham.. They were called Canaanites, Goyim and Gentiles.

I suppose you think that Moshe Dayan was a liar.. How about Ben Gurion?

 

Then you are woefully ignorant of the Lebanese Civil War.

 

I have documentation for my accusations:

An entire family had been killed, the Can'an family, four children all dead and the mother, the father, and the granfather. The mother was still hugging one of the children. And she was pregnant. The eyes of the children were gone and their limbs were cut off. No legs no arms..... We buried them in the cemetary, under the shells of the PLO. And while I was burying them more corpses were found in the street.​

Jillian Becker, The PLO: The Rise and Fall of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1984), p. 123, quoting the town priest.

The PLO men killed Susan's father and her brother, and raped her mother, who suffered a hemorrhage and died. They raped Susan "many times." They cut off her breasts and shot her. Hours later she was found alive, but with all four of her limbs so badly broken and torn with gunshot that they had to be surgically amputated. She now only has the upper part of one arm.
Ibid, p. 154​

, the Christians were only defending themselves against the genocide of the Islamic Imperialist swine.

 

Who cares - even if true - which i doubt - they were not israeli gov't policy.

It is quite rare for you to introduce any facts into a thread.

Israel, like any sovereogn nation, would respond militarily after enduring terrorism from lebanon. And your other absurd claims will need some factual evidence, which I see none of.

Why didn't it form in 1948? I guess having their own country wasn't all that important for almost 20 years.

You have a value system?

As even khalil admitted, most of israel has come from arab nations.

Pretty hard to when one's eyes and ears are closed.

 

I never claimed Muslims never massacred Christians; thus your documentation is unnecessary.

See Sabra and Shatila. See intra-Chritstian conflict in Lebanese Civil War. Your bigotry is blinding you.

 

Roman Catholics + Protestants throughout Europe.(recent Northern Ireland ) ---- Christians Massacres of Jews and Muslims - Spain (Iberian Peninsula ) The Crusades , - and Christian sword carrying monks/priests slaughtering their way across the New World - Sth America etc.,
IMO - none of the Abrahamic derivative belief systems can claim the moral ground. each is as bad as the other.

IMO - Tibetan Buddhism/Jainism etc are far more superior + civilized,


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