Take a class or you can't keep it together!

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  1. spt5

    spt5 New Member

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    An example: a mother divorces her husband citing "irreconcilable differences" when there is not one report/call of a domestic violance incident. Happens every day. This is exactly one of the many places where a formal middle school class would help, by teaching correct expectations and behaviors/attutudes with the opposite sex.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    What about the women who wanted to get divorced in the 50's but couldn't?
     
  3. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Why were they happier than modern women, that is the glaring question here!
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any one single class will not overcome the teachings a child absorbs growing up in a family. It's those examples when a child is growing up that is the teaching for the child. Do you really think a couple should just stay married unless there is a "domestic violence" incident?
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    They shouldn't get married if a divorce because "I don't love you anymore" is a possibility.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whaler, you are simply a riot. "I don't love you anymore" is ALWAYS a possibility, unpredictable things happen. Some are willing to stay in a marriage when there is no love, others are not. If there is no love and also no respect, it's probably better to dissolve the marriage. Who can say how much hostility one should live with daily?
     
  7. Whaler17

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    It actually isn't if you truly love someone. The entire statement is essentially identical to "I never loved you".

    Riot or not , this is a fact! People simply do not take marriage seriously enough, and yes I do have standing to speak of this as I have been married to the same woman for 27 years.

    Divorce rates are so high simply because expectations are terribly skewed. Most women and men expect their spouse to excuse their imperfections while expecting perfection from them.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sometimes people stop loving someone that they loved deeply. Sometimes things come out in marriage that were not apparent before.



    With today's trend of living together before marriage, I doubt if anyone's expectations are for perfection. People change over time, and that change is not always toward staying together. If both partners do not change in the same direction, conflict will follow.
     
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    That is a myth. You cannot stop loving someone because of something they did or something you learned about them. The fact is that you never loved them in the first place if that is how you feel.





    Whether the expectations are of perfection or not, they are unreasonable just the same.

    I understand people can become incompatible, but that is not an "i don't love you anymore" situation, it is an "I can't live with you any more" situation. There is a stark difference.
     
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    Okay, I guess it shows that I am a punk. But ... you are joking right? Even I kept one ear open at school in case the teacher drops something I can use.

    So, are you saying that if they can teach condoms and safe sex in class, they can't teach some practical attitude that goes with being interested in someone? I guess, if they can't, then it will be just like how the father called the mother this-and-that whilst the mother screwed all his workmates. Interesting where you put the bar about children's intelligence.

    Since there is nothing to teach them that marrying under the hype of new love is not a good idea to get children and divorce, yes. Absolutely. But looking at your question in more detail, why would they want to divorce? Because they got bored with each other and now they want the next hype of the next love, to correct their "mistake", until they get bored with that too? (I guess I can see yet another example where a middle school class could come in handy.)
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you only loved one person in your life? Most people have a couple of serious relationships before they commit to one person.





    Whether expectations are unreasonable or not is a judgement call by the person involved. "I can't live with you anymore" generally leads to "I don't love you anymore", but yes, some call it quits at the "I can't live with you anymore" stage.
     
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    So you you abrubptly stop loving someone when you decide you are incompatible as mates? Of course not. If you think you did, you never loved them at all.







    I don't love you anymore is just as faulty a statement as "pro-choice". Both are fraudulent and inaccurate.
     
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    A class to teach respect??
     
    Respect is earned, there just simply that many people who deserve it these days. So arrogance and self importance rules.
     
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    You can love someone, then find out he/she is not the person you thought. He/she can do things that absolutely turn you off quickly, but more often the love simply fades with lack of contact. Absence makes the heart grow fonder...of someone else.



    Absolutely, you can cease to love someone. Either suddenly or gradually.
     
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    Therein lies the problem, everyone deserves it, without exception. This is the problem, a failure to recognize that fact.
     
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    I could not disagree more, the "love" was actually never there and you obviously did not know the person well enough to even know if you were capable of loving them.



    I could not disagree more, you never loved them in the first place.

    You are buying into the bastardized pop culture definition of love, which is nowhere near accurate.
     
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    I completely disagree. Respect for other human beings as in the golden rule, OK, but individual respect is only given on an earned basis. When I was in the military I never immediately respected every officer I met, I respected their rank, and gave them the common courtesy they deserved (just like I do anybody), but actual respect for the individual was earned if it applied. Many never got the yes/no sir from me, but they did get what they deserved, just yes/no (place rank here).
     
    It does no good to give respect that isn't deserved.
     
  18. Whaler17

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    WRONG!

    Our body of law is based on common respect. Just because someone is a dirt bag, can you kill them? Why not? Because of a certain level of respect deemed to be the rightful expectation of evry human being.

    The common courtesy you speak of above is based on respect.

    Admiration must be earned, I agree with that, but not respect.
     
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    Sorry, but I fail to recognize your authority on the matter of love. If you're going to claim your 27 years of marriage as an authority, I've got you beat at a few months shy of 50 years.
     
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    He is awful bossy when it comes to telling people what they must think or believe isn't he? And not very respectful when he does it either.
     
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    Irrelevant to the discussion actually. I really don't care if you deny the truth, it certainly doesn't change anything.
     
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    Really? I said this is what you must think?
    Show me. I'll wait here.
     
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    Dunno. If K-12 teachers today can't get half our kids to be able to find America on a map, I question their ability to solve the divorce problem.
     
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    No class is required, just the insistance on people excercising basic common courtesy would probably do the trick. Let kids disrespect anyone, and then end up disrespecting everyone.
     
  25. BuckNaked

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    Really? The in my face capital letters must have been misread as a command not a suggestion.


    My point exactly.

    Is that a map of North America or a world map??



    And if they don't comply we smack em around a bit until they do right? Or are you thinking of imposing a rule of law, that would imprison or fine anyone who dare not comply? Respectfully of course.
     

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