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You don’t seem to be getting enough people to agree with you either.

So you believe morals should be able to be forced on others as long as a majority agree with it, is that what you are saying?

 

Yes. That's what we call civilization

 

I 100% support people’s right to get upset over rainbow-colored merchandise.

 

That's actually called authoritarianism, bro.

 

One can enforce morals in a democracy, too.

 

Are laws against rape and murder authoritarian in your opinion?

 

Being mad about rainbow-colored clothing or shoes isn't the problem on its own, even though there's way better things to be angry about.

My thing is.....why hold protests over it? Why make any effort to do that, it just doesn't seem worth the energy to me. Target 'll eventually recoup any losses or hits or whatever.

 

Not sure democracy means what you think it means, because you're describing a dictatorship and people in democracies can't decide or enforce morals.

 

That's an incredibly obvious yet stupid question, something decent people don't need to ask.

 

He was taking about morals. Laws against rape and murder isn’t a way to legislate morals. It’s punishment for committing such acts and rightly so. No one can be “forced” to have morals. People either learn them from their parents or they don’t.

 

Obvious? yes. Stupid? no

It illustrates a vital point. Morals are beliefs about what is right and what is wrong.

Laws against murder and rape are morals held by the majority that have been codified into law.

 

Morals are beliefs about what is right and what is wrong.

Laws against murder and rape are morals held by the majority that have been codified into law.

 

I well aware what morals are. I’m also aware we can’t legislate people to be moral. If that were the case there would be no need for prisons as no one would break the law.

 

I did not say that laws are not broken, of course they are broken quite regularly. If your statement that we cannot legislate morality is based upon 100% success in stopping an action, then yes, of course we cannot legislate morality as lawbreakers will always exist. With this definition, I would argue that laws are society's best attempt at legislating morality.

The above however has nothing to do with whether or not laws against rape and murder are morals that are held by the majority that are codified into law. On that account, they most certainly are. Since you are well aware of what are morals, then surely you must agree.

 

We have laws against prostitution.

 

Never said you did.

It’s not based on 100% success in stopping the action. Just merely pointing out that morals can’t be legislated at all because if..if it were possible there would be no crime.
my only argument is that morals cannot be legislated. Do you not commit rape or murder because it’s against the law or because you learned from your parents that it’s morally wrong? I’m gonna guess the latter.

 

That is insanely obvious and those are also federal crimes too. Gay pride, lesbians and rainbows are not even on the same wavelength as that, so I'm not sure what point the other poster was trying to make with that.

 

Prostitution and gay culture are not the same thing. At all.

 

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They are both immoral

 

You just want them to be invisible, or what?

How is a rainbow flag sexual?

Ok — do you believe people would be threatening target employees and refusing to shop there if they had a shirt with a weed leaf on it?

You want your children to be as naive as possible in the fact that gay people exist. Think about that.

I don’t believe it’s off topic or that you are trying to change the subject, but the largest items being discussed are the tuck garments for children which is a right wing lie that has been debunked countless times and pride displays in general.

I completely understand the trans stuff, it’s literally a mental health issue. Surgical procedures and hormone blockers leading to sterilization is extreme in all but the most dire situations. If the protests were just about that, that would still be a tad extreme in my mind but more understandable. But just like what we are seeing in FL the desire to say we don’t want trans issues brought up has turned into we will not allow any discussion on anything we don’t like (same sex families, gay characters, rainbow flags).

 

Laws should be based on legal theory and foundations that justify said laws.

Not “I pick this sky fairy and he wants me to hate these people so I do”.

Religion is dying in the west — I hope you come to see how bad a practice this is when it suddenly turns against you.

 

You sort of implied it when you replied by saying "I’m also aware we can’t legislate people to be moral. If that were the case there would be no need for prisons as no one would break the law."

I never said anything about legislating morality. Those words were entered into this conversation by you. Why have you spent two posts arguing against your own words?

I do not commit rape or murder primarily because it is wrong. If they were not outlawed, I can honestly say that I still would have never committed either act. If I WERE tempted to do so out of revenge or something similar, the fact that it could put me in prison would likely stop any thought of such. I guess in that sense it is a two headed monster of my conscience and fear of prison that keeps me from doing either.

This still does not change the reality that laws against murder and rape are morals that have been codified into law. I am not sure why anyone would see that as a controversial statement.

 

Except I didn’t. On my kids life I didn’t. It’s on you that you took it that way.

Never said you did. I said that it is my argument. Holy Christ what is it with you making these claims about me based on nothing. You need to stop reading what you THINK is being posted and read what is ACTUALLY being posted.

Exactly. You don’t do those things because you were taught they were morally wrong. Those who do commit rapes and murders either weren’t taught that they are morally wrong or are a psychopath who doesn’t care. No amount of laws will ever make them moral people.

 

Somebody else said "So you believe morals should be able to be forced on others as long as a majority agree with it, is that what you are saying?"

Another person responded to that by saying "that is what we call civilization" to which you replied "that is called authoritarianism, bro"

If you now acknowledged that "Laws against murder and rape are morals held by the majority that have been codified into law.", why are you calling "morals being forced on others as long as the majority agree" authoritarianism? Arent those two different sentences explaining the exact same thing?

Since you called it authoritarianism, it was eminently logical to ask if you think of laws against rape and murder to be authoritarianism. You can say it is insanely obvious until the cows come home, the reality is that your words are in contrast to that which is insanely obvious. Which has been my point all along.

 

And yet all civilizations have sprung from the latter