Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

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  1. Mr_Truth

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    dude, you wouldn't know patriot if it slapped you in the face. If I understand your definition of a patriot, it is a moocher and a deadbeat, right?
    And what about those 30 million plus who are still uninsured....... Maobama and his ACA are doomed to fail..................and you'll be left without health insurance while I kick back and pay for my own without your money.
    better get all your medical done by the end of the year. You'll be without health insurance again.
     
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    "Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess"

    No..the Tea Party is afraid that Obamacare will be propagandized as a success.
     
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    That pretty much sums up the entire Obama Administration. Between the media and smoke and mirrors being utilized by the Administration, it is one of the best. Unfortunately, many sheeple are buying into it, although some have opened their eyes.
     
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    And as anyone who has gotten a hospital bill knows all too well, the prices on those bills need fixing! Speaking both as a patient and former hospital insider, I know as a fact that the prices that they charge are completely made-up. They're deliberately inflated and bear no resemblance to actual costs. It's price-gouging, plain and simple. That's a dishonest system that should be fixed!

    No, the only distortion of prices is done by the industry. The ACA only makes unreasonable prices reasonable. And the victims of the over-inflated prices that hospitals set are the uninsured.

    I still owe something like $50,000 in hospital bills incurred before the ACA gave me the first opportunity in 12 years to buy health insurance. And because the hospital is state-owned, it's the government of Wisconsin that's billing me. I suppose that makes it a tax, doesn't it?
     
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    What lie?

    The President was clearly addressing the freedom of choice of the individual, and there's nothing even erroneous about it. Yes, you can keep your doctor if you want to. Note that the President never said that the ACA somehow forces your doctor to keep you. Freedom works both ways, you know.

    What if your doctor died one day? Would that unfortunate circumstance make the President a liar? Of course it wouldn't! So by the same token, if the insurance industry exercises its "rights" as "people too my friend" to stand between you and your doctor, that too has nothing to do with your freedom of choice. It's one of those truths that is so obvious that most people don't need it explained to them. And for those who do, the ACA provides people to do that, so...
     
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    While that has some basis in truth (I'm not going to hold my breath for you to cite real-world examples), it become fallacious when it assumes that "your doctor" is the only good one. There are more actual choices, such as choosing a new doctor who is not a "butcher".

    Note that surgeons are the only ones who are licensed to cut on people. Yet another fallacy....
     
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    Neither does the money government pays, that is price fixing with skews the whole system. That is the problem with price fixing.

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    Strawman. If you have to know what "is is" when it comes to a President, then we are all in trouble.
     
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    http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...bash-aca-gets-completely-embarrassed-instead/


    Florida Governor Rick Scott Tries to Get 20 Seniors to Bash the ACA, Gets Completely Embarrassed Instead



    April 30, 2014 By Allen Clifton





    Every time I write anything about Florida’s Governor Rick Scott, I still can’t believe this guy won his election. It’s bad enough he was CEO of a company that was found guilty of defrauding hundreds of millions of dollars from Medicare. One would think that would have disqualified him from having any chance at winning, but he rode the tea party crazy train in 2010 to victory.
    Needless to say, his first term as governor has been an absolute embarrassment.
    And the embarrassments continued to pile up recently when Scott tried to get a group of 20 seniors to bash the Affordable Care Act (aka “Obamacare”), but instead got mostly praise about President Obama’s signature health care law.
    “I’m completely satisfied,” Harvey Eisen, 92, a West Boca resident, told Scott.
    Ruthlyn Rubin added, “People were appalled at Social Security. They were appalled at Medicare when it came out. I think these major changes take some people aback. But I think we have to be careful not to just rely on the fact that we’re seniors and have an entitlement to certain things.”



    Which is a great point. Many programs that have strong support today were often very controversial during their creation and initial implementation. I liked how she also mentioned that it shouldn’t just be seniors that this country worries about having access to health care.
    “We’re all just sitting here taking it for granted that because we have Medicare we don’t want to lose one part of it. That’s wrong to me. I think we have to spread it around. This is the United States of America. It’s not the United States of senior citizens,” Rubin said.
    Though I think it’s vital that we ensure our elderly have access to health care, the point she seemed to be trying to make is that it’s unfair to support the socialized medical program for seniors (that’s very popular with those seniors by the way) while condemning a law which aims to provide access to health care for Americans of all ages.
    To add to his embarrassment, Scott asked one woman if she had noticed any change to her Medicare Advantage coverage, to which the woman replied, “Not really.”
    Another woman praised the law because her son, who has heart problems, now has health care coverage.
    A point Scott failed to mention during this exchange is that because of his refusal to expand Medicaid in Florida, many Floridians aren’t able to gain access to health care coverage through the program.



    This was just another example of a Republican trying to set up a situation where they could get people to bash the Affordable Care Act, yet instead heard mostly praise of President Obama’s health care law.





    Contrary to all the lies from the right wing, ACA is working to save money and lives. Every true patriot rejoices at this news.:flagus:
     
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    Obamacare Truthers Get Caught in a Lie

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    By Michael Tomasky

    http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-truthers-caught-lie-094500783--politics.html

    more proof that they lie, all of them

    so, how many are siging up and not paying, how many are illegals, how many of them renewed their medicare, and how much have they collected to offset the 1.7 trillion dollar start up that will never be recovered?
    nope, it's a loser and all covered up by even more lies. Is there ONE politician that is honorable enough to tell us the numbers and the truth?
     
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    I don't concern Obamacare here. Just description about the business matter and opportunity.

    Business person demands his dream, but every dream is different by each person. It's for the amount of money? It's for the comfortable life? It's for the command to the great company? It's for the honor for the society? Every dream can work for each business person, but the priority for the purpose is different for everyone. These are different objects for the each purpose.
     
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    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/...8-million.html



    From Boehner to Rush: Republicans Are Crushed as Obamacare Enrollment Hits 17.8 Million


    By: Jason Easley




    Republicans are so crushed by the news that total ACA enrollment has reached 17.8 million that they are immediately trying to forget Obamacare, and are changing the subject to Benghazi.

    The numbers via an HHS press release:

    Importantly, 2.2 million (28 percent) of those who selected a Marketplace plan were young adults ages 18 to 34 — a number that grows to 2.7 million when counting ages 0 to 34, the report found. The report also shows, for the first time, the race and ethnicity of the 69 percent of enrollees in the Federally-facilitated Marketplaces who voluntarily reported this information.

    HHS also announced today that more than 4.8 million additional individuals enrolled in Medicaid and CHIP through the end of March 2014, compared to enrollment before the Marketplace opened last October.

    “More than eight million Americans signed up through the Marketplace, exceeding expectations and demonstrating brisk demand for quality, affordable coverage,” said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “In addition, over 4.8 million more people have been covered by states through Medicaid and CHIP programs, around 3 million more Americans under 26 are covered under their parents’ plans, and recent estimates show that an additional 5 million people have purchased coverage outside of the Marketplace in Affordable Care Act-compliant plans. Together we are ensuring that health coverage is more accessible than ever before, which is important for families, for businesses and for the nation’s health and wellbeing.”


    If we exempt the three million kids who stayed on their parents’ plan, because they didn’t enroll, the total number of people who now have coverage thanks to the ACA is 17.8 million. The majority of ACA enrollees are white (62.3%) and female (54%). Thirty-four percent of those who enrolled are under age 35, and 28% are age 18-34.

    Republicans have reacted to the fact that they were completely wrong about the ACA, by changing the subject to Benghazi.



    It isn’t just John Boehner and the Republican Party. From Fox News to Rush Limbaugh, nobody is talking about their crushing defeat on the ACA. The word is Benghazi. The news is so bad that Republicans aren’t even trying to spin it. They have resorted to pretending that it doesn’t exist.

    Reality can’t be allowed to touch the Republican masses. They must be distracted with another bogus scandal before they realize that the Republican Party has completely failed to destroy Obamacare.

    The Republican Party looks like they are in the middle of a full blown nervous breakdown, as they are incapable of handling the success of the ACA.





    ACA continues to save money and lives - Thank you President Obama!
     
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    Is this Jay Carney? Nancy Pelosi?
     
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    so, it's ok that he lies...must be you're getting at, he can't lie cuz he's a prez or he can lie cuz he's the prez............
    you are so off target here, maybe you should get a grip, read the article and then come back.
     
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    Note how the right wing critics doesn't even attempt to address the issue - it is his obvious concession that my post reveals the TRUTH which he cannot deal with.

    After all, it is difficult to argue with SUCCESS.



    Thank you Mr Obama!
     
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    Can you please post the total cost spent to date for AHA by government and then come back to me and tell me it is a success. I will wait on your figures.

     
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    I have posted links to articles about people's lives which have been saved - this has reduced the blood tax of 45,000 Americans killed every year thanks to the lack of health care through the Republican created holocaust of refusing to create help care reform.

    To those of you from the right wing all you think about and the way you measure things is by the dollar. This is because of the materialistic nature of your thinking. Everyone else thinks in terms of precious lives saved.
     
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    You are dodging my question. Stop calling me right wing, I am not.

     
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    Not dodging anything since it is not your business to give homework assignments.

    Bottom line is that the proper way to measure a program's success is in its way of saving money and lives. My links showed where business has expanded, more people have bought into both private and government insurance programs, people have gone back to work and paid taxes thereby increasing the nation's GDP, and there was even an article in NPR about people now leaving their jobs and starting their own businesses because they are now covered under ACA. All of these savings is how you measure the proper cost of ACA.
     
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    You say it is a success, at what cost? To date how much money has this program saved the US taxpayer?

     
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    how much has been wasted by republicans try to repeal it like 50 times....
     
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    Are you dodging the question? At what cost?

     
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    Lives and money saved as shown in my previous posts - that's what should matter to all real Americans.
     
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