Tea party afraid Obamacare will be sucess

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what about the other 30 million?
    and what is a patriot? Is that someone who bows before Obama?
     
  3. Mr_Truth

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    The other 30 million?

    Blame Republicans and DINOcrats for their failure to create full health care reform.


    Thank you Mr Obama for saving THOUSANDS of lives and billions of dollars thru HCR!





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    Koch brothers caught in yet another lie about ACA:




    '' one of their most recent ads claims that premiums in New Hampshire are up 90 percent. Granted, a “shocking” stat indeed – if it were actually true. When Politifact dug a little more into where they came up with this claim, they quickly rated this ad as “False.”




    - See more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...-another-ad-bashing-aca/#sthash.tl4ffirq.dpuf
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    right out of the LIb Handbook...first rule is ALWAYS blame the other guy for your [sic] failures.
     
  5. Mr_Truth

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    You Republicans who created the lack of health coverage which resulted in the yearly 45,000 dead holocaust are ''liberals''?


    Hahahahaha!!! Utterly laughable!!!
     
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    got the numbers and demographics for your claim of 45,000?
    btw, a holocaust would be a million or more..............exaggeration achieves nothing
     
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    It is interesting to see that Romneycare, what Obamacare was modeled after is failing and will be abandoned.
     
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    again, where are the numbers that have been released. OFFICIAL NUMBERS
    oh, and here's another tidbit for your delusion:
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/obamacare-first-year-enrollment-numbers-103098.html
     
  9. Mr_Truth

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    further proof that ACA is a success, contrary to the right wing myths:



    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/insurance-companies-testimony-obamacare-survey



    Insurance companies plan to effectively debunk the House GOP's much-derided Obamacare survey at a Wednesday hearing.

    The hearing is a follow-up to last week's report from the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and is hosted by one of its subcommittees, that found only 67 percent of Obamacare enrollees had paid their premiums as of April 15. An industry source described the survey to TPM as "incredibly rigged" because it excluded any premium payments that were due April 30 or later.

    Roughly 3 million of Obamacare's 8 million enrollees would have had payments due after April 15 because they signed up March 15 or later.

    A follow-up letter sent to insurers by the committee seemed to indicate that companies had raised that issue. Testimony prepared for Wednesday's hearing, and which was first reported by Bloomberg, is another direct contradiction of the Republicans' methodology.




    Republicans lies exploded once again!
     
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    still no cites and no numbers complete with demographics, hence all is a lie
     
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    Still waiting for the Republican plan.
     
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    on the contrary, it is all a TRUTH --- small wonder why the right wing cries about it all the time

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    Republicans want to return to the days of 45,000 dead every year due to lack of health care insurance. This from the so called "pro life" party of family and moral values.

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    where are the demographics for the so-called 45,000 that died due to a lack of healthcare? Cite it or get violated for rule 2.
     
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    You should probably be somewhat more concerned with the logic of your statements. Because he has not supported his statement does not make it a lie. It merely means it might be true or it might be untrue or he cannot support it or he chooses not to support his statement. If you are going to call it a lie you need to provide uncontrovertable evidence to the contrary.
     
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    Propaganda is a lie based on a kernel of truth. The numbers are shear propaganda.
     
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    Well good. You agree that it is not a lie.
     
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    LOL, propaganda is based on lies.
     
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    some of us don't buy the juvenile rhetoric..............a lie is a lie when it is claimed as truth without proof........
    cites and sources! I believe that is a major rule around here.......so, are you claiming his lie is a truth, now? Then you do his work for him, Boxer, and put his sources up for him
    Boxer, is a main character from Animal Farm, just in case you haven't read it.... anyone else would be proud of that comparison.
     
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    Calling someone a liar is quintessential juvenile rhetoric. And you did note site any sources to back up your claim he was lying. I do not support or deny his position. I would just like people to behave in a civilized manner.
     
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    It is not up to me to prove a damned thing until he posts his first. He made a claim without proof. I want that proof. Until he comes up with it, it's a lie.
     
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    Then, you're either in the wrong forum, or you are contributing nada to this thread. Either way, his claim was that 45,000 people died due to a lack of health care. I want the demographics for that statement from him, just as I would demand it from you. Either way, it is still a lie
     
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    I have already posted it - see Harvard Report, one endorsed by the medical profession.
     
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    I'll gladly re-post the link from Harvard again if he agrees to leave the forum forever. This is a fair bargain and one he should readily agree to if he is convinced that he is correct.
     
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    dude :roflol: you so funaaaaaaaaaaay....I'm not going anywhere and neither are you
    I want the demographics, not some POS from facebook
     
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    More proof that ACA is working:



    Hospitals see steep drop in uninsured admissions in states with Medicaid expansion


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...-admissions-in-states-with-Medicaid-expansion




    '' "In the seven states where we operate that have expanded coverage, we saw increasing Medicaid and decreasing self-pay volumes. Increases in Medicaid membership and health insurance exchange participation contributed measurably to our results in the quarter ... That's the big argument hospitals in all the states that didn't expand have been trying to make—Medicaid expansion makes sense not just because it means saving lives, because it also saves money.''



    This is precisely what we patriots want - Thank you Mr Obama! :flagus:
     
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