Tea Party is Ba-aaaack!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Smartmouthwoman, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. rexob715

    rexob715 New Member

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    And Costa Rica doesn't have a military, therefore again................proving we don't need one.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Costa Rica has no military, so we don't need one. How do you come up with that correlation?
     
  3. rexob715

    rexob715 New Member

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    Errr, ummm, explain how my example doesn't make sense. I know you can't............its the reason I asked you to try!
     
  4. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    In some cases you may be right. Of course, it's generally justified.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For me the real problem is the difference between a certain segment (progressive, the religious right, etc.) and my freedom. I just want all of the do gooder ah*les to leave me alone. The reality for me is that freedom is not always pretty but always preferable. When dictates from on high reach our level, reason and logic are often removed. For instance, everyone agrees we need to help those that cannot help themselves but when you put it into a national one size fits all program, it makes no sense at our level. Drug dealers that have 3 nice cars that even my daughter cannot think of owning, collecting welfare and using food stamps. Mothers that have more kids because they can get more money. Because the programs have no real limits (in fact government advertises and pushes them) we now have a segment of society that are addicted to them. Like a kid in my wifes 3rd grade class said, he wants the same job his uncle has (his uncle was on welfare).

    All of that hurts all of us.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You made the correlation, so the burden of explanation is on you.
     
  7. rexob715

    rexob715 New Member

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    And saying that Im wrong means the burden of proof is on you!

    Try again, but I just don't think you are ever going to get it!
     
  8. OverDrive

    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the "Are too".".Am not"..circle jerk goes on...[​IMG]
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Costa Rica and the U.S. are nothing alike, so saying because one has no military, and is fine, does not mean the same for the other. Simple, common sense.
     
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    Except common sense would have you look at one country that doesn't have a military to protect its freedom...............and this should cause to wonder why any other country needs a military to protect its freedom when Costa Rica gets by just fine!
     
  11. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no strategic importance to taking Costa Rica.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are generalizing. Too simplistic. I suppose since Costa Rica is fine without a military, a country like Israel would be fine too without a military?
     
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    For how long will Costa Rica be safe? I argue that Costa Rica most definitely needed a military when the conquistadors were roaming about in the 1500's. I don't believe there has been a country or region of the Earth that hasn't needed a military at one point for defense. Therefore, if you agree with your way of life, and that it should continue, then you should agree with having a military. If you believe in leaving your way of life to the whims of others, or leaving it up to chance to whether your children enjoy that same life, then by all means, advocate for no military.
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I'm familiar with the whole "generational welfare dependency" argument.
    Of course, the fact that almost 20% of people who benefit from programs like AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) is less than 7 months never seems to factor into the equation...
    Nor does the fact that over 54% benefit from the program for less than 2 years...
    Nor does the fact that over 80% benefit from the program for less than 5 years...
    This hardly shows long-term "addiction" to these programs.
    http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

    Let's also totally ignore the fact that 91% percent of welfare benefits go to the elderly, the disabled, and working households - not the drug dealers, baby factories or lazy uncles you provide anecdotally.
    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677

    Not understanding the issue is what hurts all of us.
     
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    But I thought our military fights and protects our "freedom"..............not just assets. If Costa Rica is a "free country" and they don't have a military, then this shows that a military is not needed in protecting freedom. It can be done without a military.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am talking about real life examples not some left of center unverifiable numbers trying to present the facts as something other than what they are to push an agenda.

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    Japan never attacked Costa Rica. Just sayin.
     
  17. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    So a couple of unverifiable anecdotal examples are a more effective as a measure of the issue on a national level than national statistics provided by the US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, the CATO Institute, and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities?!

    That's not even vaguely intelligent.
     
  18. GlobalCitizen

    GlobalCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Incorrect, the lack of a military does not necessarily show that freedom can be accomplished without a military. It could mean that. But imo, in Costa Rica's case, their lack of a military of import probably stems from the fact that their govt knows that the US is likely to prevent any invasion and/or overthrow of said govt. It would be unwise for Costa Rica to invest heavily in a military, as in their current situation it is advisable to maintain a large enough force for domestic assistance/control in disasters/emergencies only, and spend the bulk of their budgets on domestic issues (ie healthcare). Just like soooo many nations across the globe....

    In sum, no military doesn't mean freedom doesn't require it. It could simply mean that the current situation doesn't require it, because US intervention in many regions is automatic, and likely to be decisive. If the US cannot be decisive in its intervention, then most countries will not be able to be decisive themselves anyway.
     
  19. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    When a tea party candidate gets 46% of the votes in a state where the largest emp is the US govt, you know the Tea Party is ba-aaaack. 2014 midterms will be very interesting. By then, millions instead of thousands will have lost hc ins.

    Sorry, Dems. Your claim the Tea Party is dead ranks right up there with you can keep your health insurance. Nobody is buying into the lies.
     
  20. OverDrive

    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was those damn Libertarins, AGAIN!

    The 'purity' of their 'ideology of Liberty' trumps the reality of keeping the Democrats in office and the country moving more toward socialism..Congrats ....for what?

    And BTW, Soros backed your candidate with $$$ to spoil the Republicans sure victory ...suckers!
     
  21. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    It's like political helter skelter. The only way Reps can win is to wallow in the mud with Dims.

    Not sure its worth it to stoop that low.
     
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    I hope they're back. Really. I hope that they keep disrupting the government and the economy. I hope that they keep targeting establishment Republicans in primaries. I hope that they continue to alienate women and minorities. Then we'll see what happens in '14 and '16
     
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    Explain Alabama and then you will have to explain Texas when Davis wins. People do not want extremeism in politics. Especcially the religious dogma that the TeaParty carries and the out right racism which is denied by so many even when proof is thrown up in their faces.
     
  24. OverDrive

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    Most TEA Party supporters have put their social agenda on the back burner in order to save this country financially!

    But then there are those Libertarians who prefer to pat themselves on the back, say they 'voted their conscience' and then enable the party of fiscal irresponsibility....how sad
     
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    You mean like the Dems 'fictional' War on Women?!!

    Maybe we need to start a "War on Children and Puppies' to highlite Pelosi's support of NAMBLA (she marched with them), et al as previously 'proven' in this thread... [​IMG]
     

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