Teacher Threatened With Fine For Violating Michelle Obama’s Snack Rules

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Children don't have full First Amendment rights in a school setting, per many SCOTUS rulings. There is no right to obscene speech.

    That said, I think the fining for cussing is a silly idea. I think Saturday school is the best option for most kids' misbehavior (now that the paddle is out). The paddle worked well for basically good kids. I know it straightened me out from a life of being a smartass. I made a smartass remark to a coach--the three licks on my backside by his paddle made an impression that smartassery didn't pay.

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    And they would say I abuse my animals and kids. That said, if they didn't know that, they would probably comment on how well behaved my dog and kids are. Haven't had to physically punish any of them in a long while.
     
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    as long as your principal doesn't judge how good a teacher you are based on it, when you have a class full of kids who tantrum. I have a switch..... at 3pm... I turn it off, the stress, the crap I put up with from kids where parenting does affect. In a year's time, I only get them for 900 hours, parents get them for 2500 hours..... I don't have to worry about taking them to go grocery shopping.
     
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    The supreme court has been wrong before, in my opinion, and they will be wrong again, if history is a reliable indicator of trends. Saying that there is no right to obscene speech is saying there is no right to free speech.

    The reason why there is no freedom of speech in schools is the same reason that second amendment rights aren't strictly adhered to in prisons. The government sets up an institution, and then claims that the institution is more important than the constitution that defines the limitations and duties of that government. The same reason is given for why the constitution does not apply to the military.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Raise your hands, who here thinks Michelle Obamas kids dont have access to a piece of candy at the white house?
     
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    No, you weren't being offensive. My well-behaved senior classes will write about 1,000 words a month (about 4 pages double-spaced) on average. The worst class I've ever had ended up writing about that much per week. I couldn't even afford to them that class any time for discussions because they would quickly move out of control. They had to read every night, and write a page response every class. It wears them down after a month or so, and then they're begging each other to stop the crap.

    I certainly can understand how corporal punishment can be effective. I don't really have a problem with it with written parental consent (sometimes they give you verbal consent, but you'd be wise not to take that seriously). I've joked about how wonderful teaching would be if we incorporated the "Lennie" technique (if you're familiar with Of Mice and Men, you'll know where this is going).
     
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    Progressives have a fascism problem.
     
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    Did I?

    Where?

    :no:
     
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    Seemed to me like you were. Otherwise I wouldn't have made the post you quoted. I apologize if I misunderstood.
     
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    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They would argue that kids who get positive rewards make other kids who are not receiving as many, or any, positive rewards feel bad and may lead to inequality later in life.

    Demanding that government gain a virtual monopoly on education made this inevitable. Separating school from state is the only solution to the otherwise inevitable centralization of the system.
     
  11. Junkieturtle

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    I see absolutely nothing wrong with the new nutritional standards. For those who've had their head up their ass for an extended period of time, this nation has a problem with obesity and unhealthy food choices bombarding you at literally every turn. For some kids, the meal they have at school will be the most nutritious meal(and for a smaller portion, the only significant meal) they will have that day.

    Nutrition is important no matter what your view on school lunches or the Obama's or the Department of Education or if you're someone who thinks this is another "assault on our freedoms".

    However, I do think the new standards shouldn't prohibit a teacher from giving out candy in class, and in fact, I'm not sure that it does. I know in my children's public elementary school here in PA, it is not. The only requirement for both teachers and parents is that any snack be pre-packaged and unopened at the time of dispersal.
     
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    I thought someone was fixing the nation's school lunch program.... ?!



    School kitchen manager fired for providing lunch to children who can't afford it


    AURORA, Colo. (CBS4) – Della Curry is out of work, and unashamed, after being fired by the Cherry Creek School District.

    A married mother of two, Curry is the former kitchen manager at Dakota Valley Elementary School in Aurora. She lost her job on Friday after giving school lunches to students who didn’t have any money.

    “I had a first grader in front of me, crying, because she doesn’t have enough money for lunch. Yes, I gave her lunch,” Curry said.

    In the district, students who fail to qualify for the free lunch or reduced lunch program receive one slice of cheese on a hamburger bun, and a small milk.

    Curry says that meal is not sufficient. Many times she paid for lunches out of her own pocket.

    “I’ll own that I broke the law. The law needs to change,” she said.

    “If me getting fired for it is one way that we can try to change this, I’ll take it in a heartbeat,” she said.
     
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    maybe there are no dentists in the area?

     
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    This ignorance is why we need the Fed government out of local schools, and a big reason why the Fed Dept of Ed should be disbanded.
     
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    mmmmm, #nutritious

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    Is there any confirmation that that it is indeed the totality of the lunch serving for that day at that school? I don't see any fruits or proteins on there(the bun just looks like it has cheese). I have a feeling this picture is questionable.
     
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    Aren't you one of the folks who's always crying about how everybody gets "free stuff" from the government? As far as I can tell, this is exactly what folks like that would want to happen. How dare this lunch lady give away free stuff.

    This isn't a nutrition standards issue, this is a financial one.

    I can also understand the reasoning behind firing this woman, however, I think it makes those administrators gigantic dickheads. If they have a sport's program or any kind of after-school activity, field trip, just for fun type things that are being funded but kids who can't afford a lunch aren't getting a proper meal, they should be taken out front of their building and spanked with a paddle in front of all the kids and parents.
     
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    The snack rules have not been violated.

    This is very simple: such "rules" apply only and solely to the school food services.


    A school student can eat candy at his/her will as long as he bring it from home. No law can stop the student of doing so.

    To watch the government trying to control what teachers give to students as reward for homework, or what students bring to eat at school -a "diet" that is not involving "buying food from snack/drink machines" and "receiving food from the school cafeteria/kitchen"- is dictatorship.

    What is next? The government following students everywhere to impede them going to McDonalds?

    If parents and students agree with the given candy by the teacher, there is no valid law against it.
     
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    I've never cried here... and this isn't "free stuff".
    The schools have the money.... the taxpayers were forced to give it to them.
    I'm sure you remember supporting those taxes.

    Regardless, when someone claims they are fixing the nation's school lunch program, it's pretty sad that some kids are given a slice of processed cheese, a hamburger bun, and a half pint of milk as their "lunch".
     
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    I had thought I was quoting a different forum user so I apologize for the mistaken identity.

    I do and I still do. But that doesn't mean the administrators at each school are going to be appropriating money to the right things. That's why local school board government is important for residents to be involved in. There are ways to deal with things like this, but it's not quick and easy so most people prefer just to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about it.

    I agree completely. The new measures, although tempered by the reality of food costs, aren't healthy enough if they still include processed foods and non-whole wheat breads like buns of any kind are typically made out of. Since the vast majority of children will attend a formal school of some kind, establishing good nutrition habits there is critical. At the very least, it presents a different way of eating and taking care of oneself than some children may get from home with parents who don't take nutrition into consideration. People who have good nutrition and ideally get some exercise are going to be healthier and have more potential to be productive members of society which is a good thing all around. That's not really something you can mandate with law and you can't force parents to do those things, but you can present it at schools.
     
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    Please read for comprehension. I didn't say there is "No" freedom of speech in schools, I said that students don't have full First amendment rights. They do have limited freedom of speech. That freedom of speech is limited by the rights of other students to get an education (and the fact that the students are minors, and that per legal precedent, the schools are en loco parentis).

    When students are in a time period/area where they are not required to be doing specific school things (a free speech time), then they can talk about pretty much whatever they want to.
     
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    That doesn't meet the new standards. Should have a fruit and a vegetable, at the least.
     
  23. Micketto

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    No worries.
    And yes, I do have an issue with much of the "free stuff", but legitimate, accountable welfare is not one of those things.



    I guess that's the point I'm making. It's not really free, since the money is there to pay for this food.

    Feeding the kids proper lunches is more important than the gas for a travel track meet.
     
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    my wife's district is horrible food...

    my district is typical lunchroom food. Some of it's not bad.... nothing great though
     
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    I thought the tomato was technically a fruit and a vegetable.

    Those kids are fine.. ;)
     

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