Tears of Joy in New Orleans: Confederate Statues are Coming Down.....

Lee in the loss to the Union showed his brilliance except for one fleeting by determining moment. His generalship in the field was unsurpassed by any Union general although Grant ran a close second and had it not been for Lincoln turning to Grant the South would have prevailed.

 

I say like ISIS taking down Palmyra, the extremists want to erase history.

 

But in the end, Lee was both a traitor and a loser ...

 

It didn't take stateship in the Union to create the loyalty people had to there territory/state whatever you want to call. It superseded any loyalty to this thing call the Federal Government.

And the men who fought on both sides did so with honor in defending their states in a POLITICAL war. Inspite of what history seems to teach these days the boys in grey were not fighting to keep blacks slaves and the boys in blue were not fighting to free them. Slavery was just the tipping point of which would prevail Federal power or States power. The northern states over Southern states or the Southern states retaining their autonomy in trade with Europe. There were lots of issue but slavery and whether states determined there status of the federal government just pull all those issues of power to a head. Yes it was a march of folly that should had been settled politically, but our governments failed and war broke out.

All that being said, to dishonor those who fought for their states in the South is a travesty of history. Both sides fought with honor, but sides died in honor, both sides should be respected.

Let's not forget, slavery was still legal within the United States not only throughout the war but even after the war ended, so let's stop trying to shame the South and those who fought for her. It's our heritage and no more black marks on it than the United States.

 

Im sure you were there back in the 1860s. You dont understand US history.

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The idea of the constitution was to protect the states from an overbearing federal government especially the bill of rights.

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New Orleans continues to sink because its below sea level , Time to move.

 

He was loyal to his state, to have left his state and fought for the Union would have made him a traitor to his state, back then states trumped the union. You seem to not understand that and the context of the history. And the Confederacy lost the war, not Lee.

 

Well he did blow it at Gettysburg.

 

It is such a shame. As a kid my dad worked for a company there and had family friends there and went there often. Stayed out in the Chef Mentur area which was an very nice shopping area and dining area. Now high crime and nothing but blight. Then I lived in LA and traveled the state including LOTS of manufacturing business in NOLA which is no longer there. Went to Jazz Fest every year and my favorite time in the French Quarter was Saturday morning shopping then afternoon beverages a FINE meal and then party all night. I knew a girl there who had a convertible Mecedes's sports car and she would let my drive around the city. Concerts in City Park...oh the days.

It has just gone to crap. My brother lived in Metarie for 15 years but had to move out because of the breakins, went to the North Shore. ALL the money that was poured in after Katrina built a lot of nice condos but the people are still "let's live off the government and send me more money" the manufacturing moved out because the labor force was so bad. Such a shame. I still travel there on business but get in and get out.

 

As I said that one brief pivotal moment.

 

That's why I mentioned before the Civil War. "Before".....being the Key part.

 

Yes many were together in the Mexican American War. Some also fighting Native American Tribes.

And yes.....he was all about Virginia. ( No.....not the one in the Song by Train. Meet Virginia.) Just the State.

 

Leftists are good at revisionist history, huh?

 

I am pretty sure these statues didn't come down just because black folks wanted them down. I have been to New Orleans on many occasions and I have never heard anyone say that were going to look at a statue of Gen. Lee or Beauregard.

 

WOW, ummm ok....when are the statues of Union soldiers coming down? Everyone knows how they mis-treated blacks.......right?
(*)(*)(*)(*) history! amiright leftists?

 

Uh oh.....Is that a Custer and Sherman protest in the making?

 

It should be noted one of the monuments was a tribute to the Crescent City White League.

"On Thursday, the New Orleans City Council voted 6-1 in favor of an ordinance that paves the way for the removal of four Confederate monuments.

They include monuments that honor Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and P.G.T. Beauregard, one for President Jefferson Davis, as well as a monument to the postwar battle of Liberty Place. In that 1874 uprising, the Crescent City White League, a white-supremacist group..."

New Orleans Votes to Remove Four Confederate Monuments

For the record, this was the inscription on that 1891 obelisk honoring the Crescent City White League's attempted insurrection, known as the Battle of Liberty Place:.

 

My Moms maiden name was grant he was my great great granddad

 

How about those like Washington and Franklin? We dont want to insult any brits visiting here or those with British heritage. The founders were traitors and rebels.

 

Update: a Suit has been filed before a US District Judge. To stop the removal. They won't be removing them until after a hearing.



Suit challenges removal of Confederate monuments.....

A federal lawsuit is challenging a city plan to remove prominent Confederate monuments by charging that the city doesn't own the land under three of the monuments and they are protected from removal by state and federal laws.

The suit, filed shortly after the City Council voted Thursday to remove four monuments, asks U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier in New Orleans to halt removal plans. The suit was filed by three preservation organizations and a New Orleans chapter of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

The decision by New Orleans is one of the most sweeping gestures yet by an American city to sever ties with its Confederate past. New Orleans, like other places, was spurred into action against Confederate symbols after the mass shooting at an African-American church in South Carolina in June that left nine parishioners dead.

The suit also claims the city's use of the nuisance ordinance was flawed and that the monuments do not fit its definition. The suit also contends the city cannot claim ownership to three of the monuments because the land under them was donated by the city to groups raising funds for the monuments between 1877 and 1911......snip~

http://townhall.com/news/politics-e...ges-removal-of-confederate-monuments-n2095248

 

Lee was doomed the minute he moved into Pennsylvania. He got impatient. Almost all generals are better on the defensive. Imo, the best general of the entire war was George H. Thomas, the Rock of Chickamauga. He was also a Virginian but he stayed loyal to the Union. And he wasn't a self-promoter. Of course, Sherman did his job, too.

 

"As an American citizen, I take great pride in my country, her prosperity and her institutions, and would defend any State if her rights were invaded. But I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than the dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honor for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force. Secession is nothing but revolution."

"The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it were intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will.

It is intended for perpetual union, so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government (not a compact) which can only be dissolved by revolution, or by the consent of all the people in convention assembled." -- Robert E. Lee

 

Only the football team, separation of church and state and all...

 

Since session is not mentioned in the constitution that means its a states right. No State in it right mind would join a Union until death do we part. Remember these were 13 independent states(nations) not US states at the time.

Heck we may have been better off had the south split away. You would think liberals would want to rid themselves of these knuckle draggers.

Perpetual does not mean forever. It means they hope it to perpetuate itself

Its number 2.

 

sorry double

 

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