Ten Killed in Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting; Gunman Yelled 'All Jews Must Die'

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  1. Oh Yeah

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    That's funny, every time addressed Jewish audiences, they cheered his decision. The state of Israel, who really count, were thri
    Somewhere along the line the American people lost track of what Democrat values are. As a ex democrat I sure as hell have. You now have a party that indulges itself in the destruction of another life to satisfy their own life style. They have abandoned the First Amendment by trying to shut down others they disagree with. ( Some in the Right are also guilty of these acts). They have taken an issue like having the right to defend yourself, your property, your family, your business and your country into demonizing those who believe in such Constitutional rights. They have abandoned the right to keep our borders safe from those who would wish us harm. They have even created Sanctuary cities to give shelter to illegal aliens, illegal drug traffic, illegal gangs, illegal human traffic, and illegal criminals. The cost is picked up at the expense of Americans and legal immigrants who now have a lower standard of living due to poorer schools, less health care, over burdened social programs, more homelessness, higher taxes, ect. Not a very good start to promise the American people a right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We haven't even begun to talk about the Democrat Party heading down the road of destructive socialism.
     
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    The move of the American Embassy to Israel was done to please his base, the Christian Right, those who have continually opposed a two state solution as their 95 vote to move the US Embassy to an undivided Israeli Jerusalem illustrated. It would be true to say that since Carter the US has been programmed by its desire to suck up to the Christian Right for its policy on Israel. Indeed it has had a massive influence on how the US has acted in foreign policy but the people it was pleasing were the American Christian Right with their desire for Rapture and Armageddon not the majority of American Jews with their desire for two states.

    US Jews were asked in polls whether they agreed in moving to the US embassy to Israel. A clear majority voted against at this time. You clearly are forgetting that US Jews are democrats and have always excused what Israel did as they were waiting for a two state solution. Jerusalem was to be in talks concerning the final resolution. I don't deny they were somewhat hiding their eyes but you are quite wrong that the US Embassy and much of the other ways Trump acts towards Israel was supported by the majority of US Jews. Heavy donors like Adelson, Trump of course wanted to please as well but the main people were his Christian Right base.
     
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    However you want to define " anti Semitic" it is up during the Trump administration. Trump is a divider and peddler of discord and hate. Started and worked with his Obama birth certificate call to racists everywhere and hasn't stopped since.
     
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    Ummm! You believe the Christian right base somehow controls the Republican party. You may be right as far as the Evangelical Christian as much influence on Trump. They are only a small part of his base. Having dealt with many Jewish business men and listened to them talk, I find they show a high level of hypocrisy when it comes to issues of equality for race and gender. I have asked a couple of them why they have conservative views like republicans but over- whelming support and vote democrat. It all boil's down to the holocaust . Guilt if they don't donate and the fear of shame if exposed.

    Catholics suffer the same dilemma if they don't support open borders and immigration for all.
     
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    The mainstream medias characterization of Trump as indulging anti-Semitic views isn't facts. Its a purposeful distortion you've fallen for.
     
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    You are clearly a victim of MSM Fake News Disinformation.

    "Obama might be a better candidate for our cause because he's racially conscious. One of our big things in the National Alliance is to raise the racial consciousness of our people. Young whites in universities, they've been stripped of any kind of racial identity. Obama may be a racist in a positive sense for his people--that will awaken a lot of the whites, knock some sense into them. … I give Obama credit, he seems to have stuck to his guns as far as pulling the troops out of Iraq. He's a very intelligent man, an excellent speaker and has charisma. John McCain offers none of that. Perhaps the best thing for the white race is to have a black president. My only problem with Obama is perhaps he's not black enough.” Erich Gliebe, “Who: Chairman, National Alliance; Likes: Third Reich, the movie Rocky; Dislikes: Integration, Jewish-controlled med.”
    ESQUIRE, WHY WHITE SUPREMACISTS SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA, BY DAVID PEISNER, JUN 11, 2009.
    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a4719/racists-support-obama-061308/

    The DP has always been the party of dangerous racist hate and mass violence in the USA. Surely you know that.
     
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    Officials that viewed the carnage all said the same thing, that they had never in their lives seen such a horrendous sight, and one of them had seen victims of an airplane crash. Putting aside the fact that eleven elderly Jewish worshipers were slaughtered, and I truly mean slaughtered right in their synagogue, the fact remains that our leader-in-chief failed to lead our country during a time of crisis.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ing-event-due-to-bad-hair-day-after-declining

    It was expected of him, out of reverence, to cancel his Illinois rally. But no, that probably never crossed his mind to do. He made a simple, prepared speech reading from a teleprompter, giving his sympathies and condemning 'these heinous acts'. Then he quickly left for Illinois. When arriving at his rally, as he fist pumped and clapped his hands, he told the rabid crowd what they wanted to hear. It was like a Pocono Resort stand up comedy act.

    “I said, well I was standing under the wing of Air Force One during a news conference earlier this morning — a very unfortunate news conference,” Trump continued.

    “And the wind was blowing and the rain, and I was soaking wet,” the president said. “And that’s what I ended up with today.”

    “And I said, ‘at least you know it's mine,' ” he added while making a gesture toward his hair. “And I said 'Maybe, I should cancel this arrangement because I have a bad hair day.' "

    “And the bad news, somebody said it actually looks better than it usually does,” he added.

    So that's it. Eleven people were actually still inside the synagogue, their torn up bodies not removed yet because the forensics team and FBI were still collecting data and evidence, but there was Trump at his ego-bathing rally joking about having a bad hair day.

    Now, if I didn't know this was a true story heard by thousands of witnesses, I'd say "holy crap, that's fake news!" and I wish it were fake news, but it's real, it's serious and it's frightening for our country.
     
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    What did Trump say about the KKK? Quotes preferred.
     
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    Revealing. The poster said he was "fiercely anti Trump" which you interpret to mean not "far right".

    "Far right" means whatever the liberals at the moment want it to mean.
     
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    Do you struggle reading?
     
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    No I am not and I put a link to the appropriate source at the time. It wasn't what you have put in. It was specifically on the movement of the US embassy in all its various possibilities and I think it was around two thirds did not approve of it happening at this time.

    You guys should take responsibility. Even if all the Jews in the US had wanted you to do this it is highly unlikely that you would as they are a very small percentage of the US. The Christian Right however are not. In their most fundamentalist flavour they are around 40,000,000 and there another 100 million or so who go with them to various degrees. 81% of the Christian Right voted for trump. His vice President is a Christian Right. His education Minister is a Christian Right. His UN Ambassador is a Christian right. That is who he is working for - that and his White Supremacist friends. Stop trying to put onto Jews the aspirations of Christian Zionists for Armageddon and Rapture.
     
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    Darn, I forgot to mention Trump is a hypocrite. Thanks for reminding me.
     
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    You're just trying to skate past Trump being a sicko Trumpites to their shame inflicted on this country.
     
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    Or any other deity.
    Uh huh. Like my wife's liberal aunt who spent her entire adult life working for Christian charities.
     
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    Don't like the truth, so ignore it ... got it. Typical Trump supporter.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Uh huh. You're jus' a good ol' boy Christian who loves ever'buddy.
     
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    Nope! Do you have a point? Or just stupid questions?
     
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    Nope, Your post didn't contain a single link.
     
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    That is because I did not put one in. I put one in at the time we were discussing this as I said
    Anyway I decided to have a look and I discovered it was an even stronger majority than I thought. Only 16% of American Jews agreed with moving the embassy immediately and 44% did not want it moved ever!

    https://www.ajc.org/survey2017

    I don't even see them ask that on your one. The US moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem not for American Jews - only 16% were wanting that by this poll, but to please American Christian Zionist who have never wanted a two state solution but who instead are hoping for Armageddon - where of course most Jews die and the few who escape convert to their version of Christianity which has only existed for about 100 years. While everyone else is being blown to smithereens, the Christian Right will be swooning in rapture and they have even managed to convince themselves that any god there is will not punish them for their ill deeds.
     
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    That's always been a thing with me and the evangelists. If God is really like their God then send me to Hell. An eternity of suffering would be better than praising this cruel, psychopathic, monster forever.
     
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    Spread that hate like virtual feces.
     
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    At least not the Jews of New England...
     
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    “some very fine people”
     

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