Texas Mass Murderer Was Deported THREE Times

Noncitizens, in The United States can buy and own guns. Illegal aliens can't.

 

You didn't ask anything. You made the factual claim that Oropesa bought the gun legally.

 

A private seller can sell to anyone, because there is no requirement to perform background checks.

 

I didn't say it was, you implied it was. In response to someone pointing out mere possession by an illegal is a felony, you offered making it harder by adding background checks.....

 

Most illegals overstay their legal visas.

 

As I have already reiterated:

that phrasing-- asking if I am incorrect, and then prefacing my further comment, with "IF this is as I've just stated..." should indicate, that I am not making "a factual claim."

Do you see that funny little figure, at the end of, "or am I under a mistaken impression?" That is called a question mark. It indicates that the preceding words, had asked a question. Therefore, I can make the factual claim, that your statement, that I "didn't ask anything," continues to be false.

To post this other quote, for a third time, as well:

DEFinning said: ↑
I'm not certain. I had thought I'd heard that, but there've been so many shootings lately, I could well be overlapping two different instances. In a cursory check, now, I do not see that information.
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READING, IS FUNDAMENTAL

 

And I told you that Oropesa didn't buy his gun(s) legally, at which point, you freaked out and went on the defensive.

 

And this, never before, has happened?

 

Huh? if the consequences of a murder conviction doesn't stop murder, how will laws purely designed to criminalize currently legal behavior deter those intent on murdering others?

 

wrong yet again. try to get it right next time

the law says it is illegal to provide a gun to anyone you know or should have reason to know is a prohibited person under 18 USC 922, is a minor etc.

 

What? My original question was whether the gun was purchased legally. As your answer, above, makes clear, it would be silly of me to be focusing that on the offense of the buyer, who later perpetrated the killings. Guess what-- I wasn't focusing on that. I was wondering, if he had acquired the gun in what would be considered the typical, legal manner, why it was, that the sale went through. In other words, the emphasis of my question was upon the seller, and the state regulations/enforcement, not upon the buyer.

 

For the umpteenth time: he didn't buy the gun(s) legally, nor was it legal for him to possess them.

You complained later that is constitutionalists don't want more laws. I'll point out again, the government doesn't enforce the laws already on the books. What's the point of more laws?

 

Its not wrong. There is no way of knowing the buyer is a criminal, but if you somehow know, they you can't sell it. Either way 99% of the time you'd have no idea who you are dealing with at a gun show, or a private sale to a stranger at any other location. Its a problem which results in lot of people selling guns to criminals and illegal aliens. But of course its just the way you like it, as it is with the mentally insane buying guns. And yes, a person who has been officially adjudicated as mentally insane could be the buyer and you'd have no way of knowing and you'd sell him anything he wants.

 

Not sure how they do it in your state but it is my understanding that in my state prohibited persons are put on a list filed with the state Department of Justice. That's who the FFL calls for the background check, the DOJ.

I've been told the DOJ doesn't know why a person might be prohibited. They just got the court order.

 

Someone who's been adjudicated as being mental defective wouldn't be able to pass a NICS check.

We don't want nutjobs having guns, but the government, especially a government run by Democrats, can't be trusted not to abuse those new laws. Look how they abuse the laws they have. The ATF is making up its own laws. Without a warrant, not any legislation passed, they're showing up to people's homes and confiscating their private property.

And you want us to give them more power? **** that ****...lol

 

This should not be so complicated. There is no NICS for private sales.

If so, then how would you stop them from buying guns from private sellers?

 

They do it the same in every state, because it's a Federal law.

 

I re-read your post. I misread it. My bad.

If you mean me, I transfer any gun I sell through an FFL. I've only sold one gun and given away two others to person without doing a transfer. I sold one to a friend who I've known for 30 years and he's a cop. One of the guns I gifted was to another friend that I've known since we were in the 3rd grade. The other one I gifted was to my wife. She's certified to write prescriptions, so there's no BGC in the world she couldn't pass.

 

Wellll.....
If you have been deported, your name should be in the NICS system and a check should generate a stop.
If you have not been caught by anyone and have an apparently valid ID, you might pass a check, because you won't be in the system.

 

The enshrinement of constitutional rights -- necessarily and intentionally -- takes certain policy choices off the table, regardless of the will of the majority.

 

1: By whom?
2: So what?

1: False. Of the 636 mass shootings in 2022, 8 involved an AR15.
2: So what?

1: According to whom?
2: So what?

 

Under federal law, it is impossible for an illegal alien to buy or poses a firearm, as they are prohibited persons.

 

He'd been deported 5 times. If he was using fake id to pass, which does occur as you point out, no law would stop him in the first place.

 

If the federal government had done its job, he'd be in prison.
Yay feds!!

 

No worries.

Those kinds of transactions are not issues, but people do sell to total strangers at gun shows or via classified ads, and they have no way of knowing who the buyer is.