The ‘Root Cause’ of the USA’s declining economic status~

Discussion in 'Budget & Taxes' started by RevAnarchist, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK. I thought you were trying to make some point that the money supply has increased unusually in recent years. If you weren't making such a point, what was the purpose of presenting the chart?
     
  2. indago

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    Iriemon: "what was the purpose of presenting the chart?"

    Already noted, and, as an aid to your reading comprehension problem, go to the beginning of this thread and read down to here, including all of the links provided. If you stil cannot grasp, do it again, and keep doing it until you do.

    Also, I will be watching for the "legislation to criminalize the use of the geometric progression graphs, and to only use logarithmic ones". And post a copy of your letter to your congressperson, and any response you get, if any.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, way to dodge the question.

    Standard conservative MO when caught with their hands in the bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  4. indago

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    Well, here it is, more than a week gone by, and I don't see any newsfeeds touting the introduction of Iriemon proposal to his congressperson concerning legislation "to criminalize the use of the geometric progression graphs, and to only use logarithmic ones".

    And so, it is only fitting that we "assume that you are just blowing smoke with your cacaphonious cackling."
     
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    Look in the mirror its Americans.

    If Americans INSISTED say most goods over dollar store items and such be made IN AMERICA or at least largely assembled here there would be no trade deficit.

    If Americans voted in their best interests and for things they stand for it matters, some want small government and others a big government but under the peoples vote to oversee its all the same.

    If Americans in the main did not want to keep up with the Jonses it would matter to.

    Forget everything else look in the mirror if you don't like what looks back as a Comsumerist then to bad this in the country you wanted.
     
  6. PrometheusBound

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    America's epitaph will read, "To get a good job, get a good education." Notice that it doesn't say "To do a good job." This unfunded mandate is obsolete class-biased indentured servitude. Getting a job by going four years without a job is absurd. But people are brainwashed from before the time they can think logically, so the sheep just accept it. Working without pay and living like a child until you graduate produces immature and no-talent flunkies of the corporations' dumb jock bullies.
     
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    If a one-horse country gets two, they have doubled their economy. The US is a mature economy that doesn't grow as fast percentage wise. Since these things are relative, others growing faster than us does not mean that we are suddenly collapsing.
     
  8. danielpalos

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    I believe the problem is that our federal Congress has a difficult time distinguishing between a Warfare-State and a Welfare-State without War time tax rates for a Warfare-State. It really is that simple.
     
  9. dudeman

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    I believe that the USA has a president with a generous IQ estimate of 75. He doesn't even understand the concept of a welfare-state and war-fare state and his previously stated Manchurian ideology to get elected. It is that simple. Show me the transcripts (i.e. Jerry Maguire).
     
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    I would agree with you, but fiscal policy is the Job of our federal Congress.

     
  11. dudeman

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    Is it? Congress has stated that Harry Reid has blocked all efforts. Can you enlighten us?
     
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    Sure, by your own admission, it can't be the president.
     
  13. dudeman

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    A primitive attempt at logic? Dunceboy is one third of the USA power, whether Gump realizes it or not. The budget (i.e fiscal policy) was your attempt to divert attention away from incompetence. I simply raised the argument about whether the Senate holds power over allowance of budgets to pass. Can you get back on subject?
     
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    We were clarifying that separation of powers.

    I believe the problem is that our federal Congress has a difficult time distinguishing between a Warfare-State and a Welfare-State without War time tax rates for a Warfare-State. It really is that simple.
     
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    The Manchurian forces appear to be too strong. I'll check in with you on another thread.
     
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    Many people work through college. I have not been unemployed since I was a Freshman in High school.

    I think the problem is that we focus on just getting a degree, instead of getting an education. We focus too much on getting that bit of paper, and making that the goal, instead of getting the information to help do a real job.

    Most businesses that look for employees, care very little in what school you went to, or what degree you have. What they want to know, and what they care about is, what can you do that brings value to the business? If you have skills and knowledge that helps you do the job, and bring value to the business, that's all that matters.

    We also have a nasty habit of telling kids "you can do anything you want", and then assume they'll magically figure it out. Parents fail to guide their kids with wisdom. Thus you end up with people spending $80,000 to go to college to get a degree in social work, and end up with a social services job earning $30,000 a year. Then our moronic kids complain that they can't pay back their student loans. Well no duh. You got a degree that earns you nothing, but costs a ton.

    But again, moron parents kept telling them "you can do anything you want!"... no you can't. You can do anything you want that is wise and intelligent to do. If you choose to do something stupid, you'll end up broke and in debt.

    Same with an "Art History" degree. What value does that really have? Not much. Or a degree in Music. Why the heck does someone need a degree in music? If you can play the flute good enough to play in an orchestra, go try out. You don't need a bit of paper to do this. The fact is, you are not going to earn a ton from that, and that's fine... but don't blow $80,000 on a degree in music, if you are not going to earn $80,000 a year.

    Why do you think Asian kids often get degrees in the hard sciences, and yet paint pictures or play the Piano or Strings on the side? Because their parents guide them. Yes go learn how to play an instrument, and yes, go play in a group somewhere, but also learn something that has freakin value to the market, so that you don't end up a starving idiot with a degree music therapy, working at Burger King.
     
  17. unrealist42

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    It is easy enough to be miserable your entire working life by pursuing economic goals but how are you making yourself happy by doing that?
    I have known plenty of people who spent their life pursing financial independence but it took them so long to get it they have completely lost any conception of what it was they needed it for.

    Means are not ends but will become so if you lose focus on why, and you will if you pursue the means for too long you will settle for mild satisfaction instead of wild realization.

    There is a lot more to life than becoming hugely economically successful and the chances of that are no better than buying lottery tickets in any field. It is far better for your mental health to temper yourself to the field that most interests you and pursue that to whatever end it brings you without any expectation beyond the realization of your particular aim.

    I have been quite feckless in my life pursuits but I am also extremely satisfied with my life as it has unrolled itself. I have been to places that no longer exist and experienced things that are impossible now. I have gained a long perspective on things like economics, sociology, psychology, history, politics and technology because youthful interest gained me enough basic knowledge to continue learning as a casual pursuit that has maintained my attention over the years and kept my sight on a wide context.

    One thing has become clear, if you continue to pay attention to anything you learn in college you will end up knowing far more than any recent graduate because what you know is the result of years of integrating incremental advances into what is already known. Your knowledge and your insights are organic, not learned. I have met leading researches in a number of fields over the years and been able to engage them in conversations that interest them because I have kept up with general advances in the field and have questions. Over the past few years I have had casual conversations with leading researches about solar powered super computers, massively distributed low power peer to peer networking, cancer treatment at the molecular level, artificial vision, gigahertz chip design, and many other things all because the precursors of these are things caught my attention decades ago and I maintained a casual interest in advances over the years.

    It is usually quite interesting to talk with youngsters on the bleeding edge. They are often unaware that the problems they are running into were identified decades ago but their field of study has been so narrowed that the basic concepts that would make it obvious are missing in their education. Some years ago I was at a Linux meet at MIT and as it was winding down in causal conversation this youngster started talking about a problem his company was having with its experimental gigahertz processors, they were experiencing unexpected burnouts in certain particular traces. This created great hilarity among the older engineers since it has been well known for decades that circuit traces will burn out at microwave frequencies if their length is a fraction that create resonance, which was obviously happening with this young man's chips. His education did not go very far into the radio spectrum so he was uneducated as to the change in the behaviour of electrons that occurs as gigahertz frequencies are approached, as radio waves become microwaves.
     

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