The 48 hours after Trump's third arraignment and why this is important.

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    What I find far more beneficial for the nation than the litigation of the court-identified sexual abuser's transgressions, regardless of whether he can beat any of the raps, are the truths that will emerge during the sworn testimonies of witnesses, many high-profiles insider Republicans in the Trump regime with intimate, first-hand knowledge of Trump's various capers.

    One intimately-aware individual will vehemently reject the opportunity to avail himself of a conspicuous venue for the "free speech" he falsely alleges the indictments are about, the witness stand. The other showcase of free speech he'll flee from is the debate stage.
     
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    Finding a list of democrat denials is like finding dirt under your feet. It's automatic. As easy as finding a democrat, who endorses that form of politics.
    The request was Jan 5th, and was reported as verbal, not a written formal one. Trump's mistake; he should have known you have to document everything when dealing with unscrupulous people.

    However, Trump wasn't the only authority who asked for National Guard support and was turned down.
    Seems the dems didn't want much security around, and that should make you ask yourself why.


    Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots

    "The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress."

    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/9555...ims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri



    Trump discussed the requests he made in a speech.
    ( https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5026862/president-trump-national-guard-offer-speaker-pelosi-january-6 )

    And this has happened not only in regard to Jan 6th, but also where he has made requests for governors to approve National Guard to respond to riots and problems around the country. The democrats have opposed Trump, not because of what he asked for- but because he was Trump. Much like the border wall, where they fought ferociously to block it. Given what you see today, it's pretty obvious Trump wanted order at the border- and the the dems opposed it, opting for chaos. Same appears to be true in the chain of riots- suppress control, hold back police, call the rioters who set fire to Minneapolis "mostly peaceful protestors". That's a pattern of consistency that only a fool would deny.

    Honorable people would never, ever put their personal or political goals above the best interests and safety of the nation. Yet, I see the dems doing that every day- and every time at every opportunity.
    I have no reason to believe that would change if Trump dropped dead tomorrow, because Trump is not the cause; he's the excuse of the moment.

    In a vendetta- anything goes, because the people behind it have already disposed of conscience and moral compass.
    A vendetta is not politics- it's crime.
     
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    Says the guy in blinders goose stepping into eternity chanting no look really it's the other guy
     
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    In the end sir trump is but a rallying point in a seemingly endless series of skirmishes between, DC totalitarians And those people who remember that this country has a constitution and that constitution sharply limits the ability of the federal government to assault the rights of others. Trump is only the color bearer, we will. should the totalitarians you so willingly support, take him out. find another.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    There are two essential American institutions under assault by the cult:

    1. Democratic elections by which the will of the People is expressed and implemented.

    2. The Justice System by which law and order is preserved and protected.



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    TRUMP GOONS ASSAULT THE U.S. CAPITOL, JANUARY 6, 2021

    Senator Mitch McConnell (R):

    "There's no question, none, that Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day... The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth...

    "These criminals were carrying his banners. Hanging his flags and screaming their loyalty to him. It was obvious that only Trump could end this... Former aides publicly begged him to do so. Loyal allies frantically called the administration. The president did not act swiftly. He did not do his job... Instead according to public reports he watched television happily as the chaos unfolded, kept pressing his scheme to overturn the election...

    "Trump is still liable for everything he did while in office. He didn't get away with anything yet. We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation."

    [https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcco...thing-can-still-criminally-prosecuted-1569159]
     
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    Mitch is wrong but that isn't all that unusual, And you are wrong the assault on democratic institutions is being done by Democrats and we do not have a justice system worthy of that name when it ignores crimes by some and fabricates crimes against another.
     
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    that's about it
     
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    Your failed attempt at whaddaboutism diversion aside, the Republican senator upheld the American system of justice:


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    "Trump is still liable for everything he did while in office.
    He didn't get away with anything yet.
    We have a criminal justice system in this country.
    We have civil litigation."
    I expect that, as with the January 6 Congressional Hearings, Republicans will predominate in providing sworn testimony and evidence.
     
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    In this case the cult in question is the Democratic Party
     
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    Those two things are definitely under attack- the confusion, which is totally intentional- is about who is actually doing it.
    For those lacking a clue- It's not and never has beenTrump.
     
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    A helpful tool to keep up on this case:

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump

    Everything in terms of documentation is there in chronological order, is free and in the public domain. This website is truly outstanding and also the little stuff that may fall through the cracks throughout the media can be found there. Most if not all documentation is dowloadable. However, minute orders are given and recorded only electronically, so they are not dowloadable in .pdf-format.
     
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    First Hearing: FRIDAY, 2023-08-011, 10:00 local time.
     
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    Is Trump still allowed to boast about grabbing random women by the genitalia?
     
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    When people go on about making America great again does the again refer to a time when the rule of law didn’t matter?
     
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    Gross!
     
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    Show the man and I'll find a crime. Jailing Trump's lawyers is just as important as jailing Trump.

    Why go after his lawyers, if the case is a "slam dunk"?
     
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    After both the defense and the prosecution were told to get together and each propose two dates for a hearing this week on the subject of protective order, this is what came back at the court on 2023-08-008:

    gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.17.0_3.pdf (courtlistener.com)

    Totally illogical and confusing is this sentence from the defense:

    Trump indictment 3 - joint motion.png

    First off, to write that "President Trump will not appear" is pretty silly. He is not the President, but rather, one of 5 living ex-presidents, we only have one President at a time in our Union and right now, Joe Biden is the 46th President. Furthermore, Judge Chutkin already released Trump from having to appear in a previously published minute order just the day before, on 2023-08-007:

    Trump indictment 3 - minute order day before.png


    So, that was just a "puff up your chest and try to look tough" maneuver that obviously did not work. Second, the real kicker here is the sentence "However, since we lost Friday as an option". Like, who in the hell writes this kind of stuff to a judge in an official document? If you are going to not be available on Friday, just say that you are unavailable on Friday, or give a reason as to why Friday would not work. No one cares if you lost your "option" or not.

    What most people on all sides of the equation are seeing is the usual delay, delay, delay tactic to which Judge Chutkin said: no. There is no doubt that she is going to run a tight ship. And this is not the first defense in the history of justizia that has tried the delay delay delay method. In fact, the record shows that most mob-bosses use this tactic as well.

    I am having a hard time figuring out why the defense is writing a lot of crap on the level of a 5th-grader. Both Lauro and Blanche are respected, experienced attorneys who know their way around a courtroom. They both know better than this. The only logical explanation I can find for this nonsense is that Trump himself is dictating to his attorneys what they must write. Also, it does not look good to essentially say, "well judge, Todd Blanche can't appear on Thursday because he has to represent Trump for all the criming he did down in Florida, you know". I mean, whoa, how dumb is that?

    There is nothing in the law that says that the entire defense team must be at a hearing. The law only says that either the defendant himself or at least one of his attorneys must be at such a hearing.

    Until now, Judge Chutkin has displayed a huge amount of patience despite the horrible, deranged things that Trump has been writing about her on his truth social thingy. He is like a four year old to whom I just said "DO NOT PUT YOUR HANDS ON THAT REALLY HOT STOVE" and as soon as I turn around, said four year old puts his hands on that really hot stove.

    So, it will not surprise me if on Friday Judge Chutkin really lets the hammer fall, will likely issue a tight protective order and also once again remind Trump that if he crimes while he is free on his own recognizance, he may lose that freedom. If any other human being other than Trump had written and spoken this crap about judges and their wives and their children and the prosecutors and their wives and their children as he has done, they would long be behind bars waiting for their process, without internet access, to whit, to whit. And all of this can and surely will be used against him. I mean, that's just... silly.

    I believe that Trump really thinks that he can bully and bluster himself out of these three (soon to be four) indictments and if he doesn't start to actually listen to his attorneys and keep his mouth shut, then he may be discovering the color orange sooner than later.

    -Stat
     
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    We are dealing with the "mind" of a malignant narcissist psychopath. Apparently the people at MAL still have to act like he's POTUS.......ETTD.
     
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    Yepp.
     
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    PS. and just to remind, protective orders are not uncommon. In fact, in high-level cases like this one, they are the order of the day. In a normally functioning world, this stuff would be self-explanatory.
     
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    There is no evidence at all of anyone going after Trump's attorneys. There is, however, ample evidence of some of his Attorneys jumping ship or getting fired by him. So, that has nothing to do with prosecution in any of Trump's soon to be four indictments.

    If of course, a Trump attorney does something stupidly illegal or his himself complicit in a crime, that is an entirely different kettle of fish. Many of Trump's attorneys have been incompetent boobs but a lot of them are well-respected, high-powered attorneys who know what they are doing. And interestingly enough, it's that type of attorneys that somehow part ways with Trump....
     
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    When Trump went all blah blah blah about Hilary Clinton and saying she would be in jail was he invoking the rule and workings of the law?
    Some of the population go on endlessly about the constitution and amendments and the wording and the like, but don’t seem as keen to honour the wording of the law of the land.
    It looks like Trump does not want any law to apply to him but he ought to be at liberty to do whatever he pleases moment to moment (including grabbing random women by their genitalia).
    Does Trump assume those same standards he has for himself of ignoring the law and oppressing women should apply to all Americans?
     
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    The claim was made that 50 Trump lawyers have been pinged by the DOJ. It's statistically impossible for every single attorney that Trump hires is commiting crimes.
     
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    Show us the exact "wording of the law of the land" you're referring to.
     
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    The point being that you have none...
     

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