They aren't really "high", they've actually stabilized and in many cases, decreased over time. As I said before, I agree that people need to be informed -- but as Bowerbird asserted, education and the availability of information is the key, not legislation or protesting outside clinics.
Tiller performed late term abortions on non-viable foetuses and to prevent "substantial and irreversible impairment to a bodily function" as per the law and there is not one claim that he did anything but that that has stood the test of the courts
Abso fragging lutely!! We WOULD get those numbers even lower if there were more reliable birth control methods around - and especially an effective MALE contraceptive so that there could be double protection
Plenty of Christian denominations support reproductive choice. http://rcrc.org/about/index.cfm RCRC was founded in 1973 to safeguard the newly won constitutional right to privacy in decisions about abortion. The Coalition founders were clergy and lay leaders from mainstream religions, many of whom had provided women with referrals to safe abortion services before the Supreme Court legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade. The founders believed that there would be at most a ten-year struggle to secure the right to choose. In fact the struggle is far from over. It has changed and intensified, and the stakes are growing.
Oh well that at least makes sense. I thought he just performed typical abortions, like mostly first and second trimester abortions.
Yes they do…and these churches also deny Christ…and deny the Word…and heretics belong to them. There are churches all over like that. They celebrate sin.
Then make abortion illegal .the numbers would go down. And if we teach sex education in middle school teach everything especially about fetal development. They show films in schools to teach why not show an ultrasound ? Why not show an abortion? Hell its one of the most performed surgery there is why not? Bowerbird .would not watch .LMAO Of course not honey to graphic for you, and you certainly would not want to see what you so happily condone. Your style would be to look away ...
So now you're qualified to judge whether Christian churches are really Christian or Christian enough.
It has been proven repeatedly that criminalizing abortion does not reduce numbers. So what is your REAL reason for wanting abortion criminalized? You want films of abortion to be shown in school? Why not films of childbirth and C-sections? Bowerbird is a nurse, I doubt there is much that is too graphic for her.
Where I live (and I am sure I have told you this before) abortion IS illegal but our rate of abortion is close to what yours is. http://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/info-a-resources/facts-and-figures/abortion-in-qld-issues
That is absurd as I said. If you made owning guns illegal .do you think the numbers of gun owners would go down? Sure they would. Are you saying that if Roe was overturned that the same amount of women getting abortions would be the same? LMAO The fact that you would have to ask why I would want abortion made illegal is absolutely unreal I can't believe it .seriously. Childbirth is beautiful no problem if they want to show it to kids would be a great idea. And C section .does that kill a child or bring it into the world? I am talking about abortion the only surgical procedure that is done specifically TO KILL AND UNBORN CHILD. I WOULD NOT OPPOSE IT BEING SHOWN BUT AS A PRO-ABORT I CERTAINLY CAN SEE WHY YOU WOULD NOT WANT IT SHOWN. I want abortion illegal because no woman has the right to kill the living child inside her. Fifty million human lives slaughtered since Roe .thats what bothers me. And you have to ask??????? I don't care if Bowerbird is a nurse or not. ABortion is what it is .killing unborn human beings. Graphic .there are doctors who refuse to do abortions nurses too. And I have personally talked to some who worked doing abortions, boy do they have a story a dark grim story. So has she helped kill unborns?
I think so yes based on what they teach. If a Christian Church taught that adultery was ok .would that be standing on the Word of God? Yes or no If a church taught that child pornography was ok in the right circumstances would they be standing on the Word? If the pastor of a Christian church was a prostitute actively working .would that be a church standing on the Word? When I hunted for a church when we moved I attended many churches looking to see how they aligned themselves to the Word. Yes I can tell if the core of the church is Christian or not absolutely. For example .Joel Osteen has the largest Mega church in the country. Would I want to attend it? No I do not believe based on the sermons I have heard and the scriptures I have read that it aligns itself with what Christ taught. Osteen won't talk abortion homosexuality he does not want to lose tithers followers, book sales. Rick Warren is the same way it is above his pay grade. Neither men take the Great Commission seriously .not seriously to stand on the Word no matter who they offend. Jesus said He was the only way ..Osteen does not get that .so I don't think this would be a great church to attend. My standards do not count ..its what God says that matters not what the world says is right or wrong.
For you, it is whether you believe that is what God says, you fail to realize that others interpret scriptures differently from you. You fail to realize that others perceive some actions differently from you. You seek a church where you will be told what you already believe, you're simply looking for a church that will tell you you're right. You reject a church that could expand your understanding. That is sad for you.
No. I seek a church that take the scriptures seriously. One who will stand on what Christ says. My understanding does not need to be expanded. ….such as accepting homosexuality as a normal lifestyle….abortion as not sin….sex outside marriage acceptable. Not doing it. Any church that accepts that is not reading the same Bible as I am…and they all are the same. Christ said…HE WAS THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER. NOW IF A CHURCH SAID…HEY MOHAMMED IS A WAY….WOULD THEY BE STANDING ON THE TRUTH? NO
John 8.7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
I have already cleaned my heart and repented. God allows us to judge on words and actions…especially when a believer judges a believer. People judge all the time…judges, juries, teachers, parents, police….are you suggesting none of these people can judge without reason?
wow.... so many "christians" have no clue about their own faith..... A sin is a sin , and jesus died for those sins on the cross. God tells you not to judge, just like the verse says " let he who lives with out sin cast the first stone".... So do you live with out sin? because you sure seem to be slinging quite a few stones...
And you have no idea about Christ and Christianity…. No Christ said not to judge someones heart….but we can judge words and actions. In fact we are commanded to do so. How else would we protect the righteous. How would I protect my family against you….if you tried to harm them physically or verbally? I would have to judge your actions. If you started swearing and saying sick things….I would certainly judge you and probably put you on ignore..for good reason. You are judging me here…while telling me I can't judge. LOL I am standing up for Gods Word…the truth. The truth is abortion is sin….you think its cool….I don't. I am judging your morality…and it does not align with Gods. I am one of the only people here who have admitted sin so don't tell me I walk around here on a pedestal. You people do that…I don't.
Demonizing what they do?…..no. I can't make final judgement on their heart…only God makes final judgement. Tell me…the shooter in Colorado….was he wrong, immoral, was he nuts…what? Can his actions in anyway be justified? How do you feel about him? Now be careful not to judge him. LOL
They are performing a service, so I daresay they feel a certain satisfaction that are they are helping women. Sanger did not found the USA. It's those people who need them. You seem to be not only defending the murder of medical practitioners, but also determined to take away the reproductive rights of women. Your excuse for this is that you are attempting to defend the rights of non people. Unfortunately, the only thing you do bring to the table is religion.
