The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

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    As an automotive engineer, that is super cool.
     
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    Oh! Well! That will upset the spirit of Tasmania :p
     
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    The EV bubble popped: VW orders are down 50%, Ford loses $38,000 on each car, Toyota chief, says “people are waking up”
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    By Jo Nova

    Last week the EV bubble popped
    It’s been a crushing week for the EV industry as the bad news that has been brewing for months was laid bare in the quarterly reports. Across the industry, corporate CEO’s are all admitting that demand is unexpectedly slow, orders are down, and suddenly projects are being delayed “indefinitely”.

    Volkswagen admitted orders are down a shocking 50% and they are sacking 2,000 jobs in the software division. Ford posted an operating loss of $1.3 billion for the quarter — meaning they are losing $36,000 for every EV they sell. They face a ghastly full year loss of $4.5b, so not surprisingly, they are delaying battery plants, and plans to expand production. All up they are now holding off on $12 billion in investments.

    The head of Mercedes-Benz described the market as “a pretty brutal space”. Harald Wilhelm hinted that some manufacturers won’t survive: “I can hardly imagine the current status quo is fully sustainable for everybody,” he said.

    Panasonic has slowed EV battery production was reduced by 60% in Japan compared to the same quarter last year. While its US plants were OK, profit forecasts of the whole energy division were down 15% and depended on US subsidies.

    News of cars kidnapping drivers, and airport car infernos have added to range anxiety and crushing interest rates to squeeze the EV bubble til it popped. . . .
     
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    EV's are currently some 40% dearer than ICE vehicles. The CEO of Stellantis claims EV's will increase around 40% in cost over today's prices.

    EV's are just a dream.
     
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    10 years only reduces range from 100% to 80%.

    If your EV could do 200 miles on a charge when you purchased then in 10 years time it can still 160 miles on a charge.

    You would ONLY need to REPLACE the battery if you NEEDED a 200 mile range but a SMART buyer would have purchased a 400 mile range EV and still have 320 mile range 10 years later. The car could last 25 years on the ORIGINAL battery.

    Refurbished batteries are CHEAPER than NEW packs and the MARKET for refurbished batteries will ENSURE that they way BELOW $12k.
     
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    The EV fantasy is collapsing worldwide.
    There go those glorious EV transition plans — Australians are not buying
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    Image by Anwarul Quddus Sikder from Pixabay

    By Jo Nova

    The thrill of EV ownership in Australia has worn off before it even started
    In news that will shock no one, except the Minister for Weather himself, Labor’s plan to have nine out ten new car drivers in an electric vehicle by 2030 has crashed into a mountain of apathy. The latest estimates from the Australian department in charge of guessing these things is that EVs will only be 27% of new car sales by then, not 89%. And the modeling assumes EV’s will be exempt from the usual tariffs and taxes, but finds most Australians would rather pay the extra taxes and get themselves a planet-wrecking petrol-head machine anyway.

    Of course, in climate maths, 27% is practically the same as 89% because EV’s may not reduce emissions at all, but since the push to force them on us has nothing to do with carbon emissions, the theatrical chasm in their big plans is a major loss.

    That and the dilemma of who will pay for the back up batteries to stabilize the windy wobbly national grid if car owners don’t?

    By 2030, after years of propaganda and coercion, electric cars are only expected to be 5% of the national fleet of small vehicles.

    Of the developed world, Australia is possibly the stupidest country to own an EV in
    With the lowest population density, longest hottest roads, and soon to be most unreliable expensive power, there’s a reason Australians have been slow to buy expensive, short range, inflammable machines.

    In The Daily Mail today we hear that Belinda Cleary drove a $90,000 EV from Sydney to Melbourne and it cost 30% more in fuel and took 25% longer than her petrol car. The round trip cost $210 in fuel instead of $140 in petrol. So you can pay more to pay more and go slower as well. What’s not to like?

    Having wrecked Australia’s cheap energy grid by turning it into a giant cyclone-and-flood talisman, the irony is that electric cars can’t get cheap fuel anymore. The hapless Belinda needed to stop six times to refill on the 1,800 kilometer return trip, and spent three and a half hours enjoying the roadhouses of the Hume Highway. On the way home, someone walked near her car and accidentally spooked the charger into stopping, thus creating an unexpected delay. Oh the complexities of electrical ecology?

    But on the bright side, the car didn’t kidnap her, and she points out that all the 350kW charging stations were working. If one had been on the fritz she couldn’t have made it to the next fast charger, so she would have had an instant holiday stopover in Tarcutta. The slow 50 kW chargers are so slow drivers need an overnight stay.

    And of course this major highway is the busiest and most well serviced interstate route in Australia. Everywhere else is going to be worse.
     
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    Don't count on these chargers.
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    This company was ordered to spend $2 billion on EV chargers. Many don’t work.
    The nation’s largest public EV charging network was created by court order. In 2016, the year after Volkswagen’s “Dieselgate” emissions scandal came to light, the German carmaker agreed to make amends by spending $2 billion building electric car chargers and encouraging electric vehicle adoption. The goal was to compensate society for the air pollution created by Volkswagen’s faulty engines — and to pepper the nation with EV chargers.

    In the years since, the company that arose from that settlement — Electrify America — has built thousands of charging ports across the country, from the visitor center of the Grand Canyon to Newark.

    But advocates say many of those chargers, which are intended to help shift the nation to electric cars, don’t work. Those nonfunctioning chargers, they argue, are slowing the transition to electric cars — and violating the original purpose of the settlement agreement Volkswagen reached with the government. . . .
     
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    The Grand Canyon? Do they charge their cars BEFORE hiking to the bottom or DURING that time, thereby hogging the chargers for several hours?
    Last time I visited the South Rim parking was horrendous - I can't image EV charger lines will improve that.
     
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    Problem SOLVED and IN PRODUCTION.

    https://carnewschina.com/2023/12/14...ge-500-km-in-15-minutes-and-withstand-1000-c/

    The Golden Brick powered Zeekr 007 goes on sale in the EU on schedule right before the New Year. From all accounts it is going to be BETTER than Tesla's Model S. It will handle the extreme colds of the Scandinavian regions and the extreme heat of the Middle East.

    And ANYONE in the world's TWO largest car markets can BUY them right after Xmas.

    Retrofitting those buses should be easy enough using the Zeekr batteries.
     
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