The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

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    BB’s response is a good example of how alarmists think. CO2 absorbs and reemits energy from the earth therefore human CO2 emissions are responsible for climate change.
     
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    Thousands of EV’s rotting in fields in China
    By Jo Nova

    China is the leader in EV car production but it’s not quite the success you might think it is.

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    The CCP was apparently determined to claim that they are making more EV’s than Tesla. But in order to get the EV subsidies, companies are producing vast numbers of cars no one wants to buy. It seems these cars are registered, falsely listed as “sold” and driven 30 miles to a graveyard to presumably rot, or spontaneously combust, whichever comes first. After thirteen years of one particular subsidy, supposedly only worth 3-6% of the best selling car, the government has paid out nearly $15 billion, which seems like it would buy quite a few fields of Neta V EVs. . . .
     
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    They do the same with solar. Install it in China but never turn it on. Only for show.

    But they make a ton of money selling solar and wind to the western democracies. About 20 years ago they were claiming that global warming due to human CO2 was junk science. They then figured out that they could make money and weaken the economies of the western democracies but selling wind and solar products to them. Win - win in support of their 100 year plan for global domination.
     
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    E-Cars Prone To Rapidly Losing Their Charge, Getting Stranded On German Autobahns
    By P Gosselin on 20. June 2023

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    E-cars have a much higher risk of losing their charge, getting stranded on German traffic jam-plagued autobahns.

    So far the only solution is the (internal combustion engine) tow truck
    The online Karlsruher Insider here reports on another woe e-car driving Germans are experiencing, especially on the highways: dead batteries.

    Germany’s highways, known as autobahns, are notorious for their heavy traffic loads and kilometers-long traffic jams known as staus. Motorists driving on them must always reckon with at least one stau along the way. A stau results in a slow, stop-and-go movement, which can extend a trip by hours. That’s why German drivers usually make sure the gas tank is close to full before starting on a longer trip, knowing that running out of gas before reaching the next rest stop is a real risk under stau conditions – especially if you foolishly start with a tank that’s less than a quarter full.

    With a full tank of fossil fuel, drivers can rest assured they can reach the next exit or rest area to refill, and won’t have to deal with the aggravation of running empty in the middle of nowhere on the autobahn.

    E-cars get stranded on autobahns

    Electric cars, however, not surprisingly, don’t cope well with autobahn stau conditions.

    “More and more so-called electric cars are driving on German roads. But as the number of these vehicles increases, more and more e-cars end up on the hard shoulder of the motorway with an empty battery,” reports the German online Karlsruhe Insider. Under slow moving, stop-and-go conditions, an electric battery charge dwindles rapidly and the e-car ends up getting stranded more often than ever.

    Conventional cars do well

    Combustion engine cars that do run out of fuel on an autobahn are at least easy enough to manage. Germany’s ADAC automobile club can simply be called up to deliver fuel directly to the empty car.

    “On the other hand, there is a different procedure for e-cars with an empty battery that have broken down on motorways, reports the Karlsruhe Insider. The ADAC “is currently testing mobile chargers for e-cars in its breakdown service. These are called e-boosters and are to be tested in a pilot project. The device could be used to charge broken-down electric vehicles to such an extent that they could make it to the next charging station without a tow truck, they say.”

    Tow truck

    The Karlsruhe Insider however summarizes: “If the e-cars still break down on the motorways with an empty battery, roadside assistance can provide relief. At present, however, this only works by towing the vehicle.”

    It’s another reason motorists are shunning electric vehicles. Longer trips require meticulous planning, lots of charging time and nerves. Indeed the electric car, with its high cost and inconvenience, could turn out to be an effective way to herd people back into trains and public transit.
     
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    Yup. Triple AAA can’t bring a can of electrons to get the electric cars to the next charging station. IMO electric cars are a novelty item and a potentially dangerous one at that.
     
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    EVs may cause twice as many potholes to save the Planet
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    By Jo Nova

    Wrecking the roads to save the nation from 0.01 degree C?
    Electric cars may cause twice as much damage to roads as normal petrol driven cars.

    EV’s are heavier, and heavier cars may break bridges and car parks, they wear out tyres 50% faster, increasing pollution, they will cause more road deaths (of other people in smaller cars), and now, they probably wear out roads faster too.

    Did anyone think about the carbon emissions of new asphalt and new road surfaces?

    Major roads are built to take heavier trucks, but suburban streets were only designed to cope with the occasional truck — not the truck that lives next door. When every car has 300 kilograms more “luggage” there will be consequences.

    And remember underlying all this, no one even knows if EV’s will reduce carbon dioxide. An e-Golf has to be driven 100,000 kilometers just to break even with a diesel equivalent. With all these extra lifetime costs, if carbon dioxide mattered at all, EV’s might end up raising global temperatures. But who cares about that eh?

    It’s not about carbon, and it’s not about the environment. It’s about control. . . . .
     
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    Green New Deal’s Unaffordable Mobility…Nissan Head Warns E-Cars Too Expensive For Many
    By P Gosselin on 4. July 2023

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    Mobility risks becoming affordable ONLY TO THE RICH, while the poor will become prisoners in their 15-minute cities

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    German site Inside Digial.com here reports how electric cars have the “big problem” of being “simply too expensive”, are “only for the rich” and “out of reach for most motorists”.

    No wonder the so-called 15-minute cities are being planned and in some cases already set up: people won’t be able to travel anywhere because cars will be unaffordable! The battery is the major cost driver of an e-car.

    Nissan’s e-car boss is now speaking up: “The fact is that electric mobility can hardly be presented for less than 20,000 euros at the moment,” says Nissan’s e-car boss Guillaume Pelletreau in an interview with Vision Mobility magazine. “I think we will probably have to say goodbye to the magic 10,000 euro mark.”

    “And what e-car buyer is satisfied with a two-door car that has to be charged for an hour at a charging station after 200 kilometers and has to pay 20,000 euros for it?” Inside Digital asks.

    “We are also aware that many customers are no longer able or willing to pay the higher prices. For them, we offer alternatives: On the one hand, the possibility to lease our vehicles at attractive conditions thanks to strong residual values, or to purchase young Nissan used vehicles,” says Pelletreau.

    Germany’s ADAC automobile club recently warned that many people will continue to drive their old diesel and petrol cars because they cannot afford an e-car.

    The head of the ADAC warned: “E-mobility must not be reserved for wealthy homeowners with a solar system and their own wallbox for charging,”

    See entire article at Inside Digial.com here
     
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    The whole CO2 output thing is a scam. It's with you buy something that comes here on a ship or better yet the wrong materials are in mind in the US shift over to China made into products and then shut that that's contributing way more to CO2 pollution then driving your car whenever in a million years.

    I remember reading about cruises you take one two week Cruise just assume that cruise ship holds 4,000 people. That's like those 4,000 people driving 5 million cars for a year.

    This environmentalism single regarding cars is pennywise and pound foolish.
     
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    Hazardous Electric Car Transport: Fires On Ocean Carriers Causing Environmental Catastrophes
    By P Gosselin on 30. July 2023

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    A major North Sea environmental catastrophe threatens as fire rages on FREMANTLE HIGHWAY carrier…electric car battery is the likely cause. If so it would already be the second major electric car caused accident off Europe’s coast this year.

    Electric cars are said to be environmentally friendly because it is claimed they don’t burn fossil fuels and pollute the environment. Electric cars, proponents say, don’t emit CO2 and thus they do not contribute to global warming. Only this far do climate alarmists want us to think.

    Hazardous vehicles

    Of course, these claims of electric cars being gentle on the environment are a ghastly load of baloney. When their manufacture, source of energy for charging and end-of-life disposal are taken into account, these cars are often more hazardous than the combustion engine cars.

    Another problem that rarely gets mentioned is their safety: their batteries are prone to catch fire, and when they do, the fires are difficult to extinguish. Great damage often results.

    North Sea fire likely caused by electric car

    The latest news is the story of a fire on the 200-meter long FREMANTLE HIGHWAY sea carrier, which has a carrying capacity of 18,549 tons of dead weight.

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    Burning automobile carrier threatens the North Sea. Fire likely caused by an electric car onboard. Image: Netherlands Coast Guard, https://kustwacht.nl.

    Recently the carrier was transporting nearly 3,000 cars from Bremerhaven, Germany, and was bound for Egypt. On July 26th, 27 kilometers offshore from the Netherlands, a fire broke out and is now threatening to become an “environmental catastrophe” in the North Sea. According to Germany’s Deutsche Welle (DW) here, the cause of the fire was probably one of the 25 electric cars onboard.

    Still burning

    “On Friday evening, the Dutch authorities reported that the fire had died down and was emitting less smoke. However, it is still burning, and it is not clear for how long the freighter can withstand the heat,” reports the DW. Should the vessel fail, it would lose its entire cargo along with 1800 tons of fuel. “There is still the danger of an environmental disaster.”

    The lithium-ion batteries of electric cars are known to spontaneously catch fire, and thus pose a threat to the property on which they find themselves. In some situations the outcome can be catastrophic, just as is the case with the current North Sea FREMANTLE HIGHWAY general average.

    Twenty two crew members were evacuated, one was killed. Currently it appears firefighters have gained the upper hand, but the situation is still serious. It remains uncertain how much the vessel has been damaged and how much more heat it can withstand.

    Second electric car fire on a vessel this year

    This is not the first vessel transporting electric cars to be hit by fire. Blackout News here. reports:

    At the beginning of 2022, the transport ship “Felicitiy Ace” caught fire 166 kilometers southwest of the Azores in the Atlantic Ocean and sank despite extensive attempts to extinguish the fire (Blackout-News: 24. February 2023). The 17-year-old car carrier had 3,965 Volkswagen AG vehicles on board. Among them were 187 vehicles of the noble Bentley brand and 1100 Porsches. Many of the vehicles were also pure electric cars, or hybrids.”

    On the Felicity Ace vessel, it is reported that the “lithium-ion batteries of electric vehicles had caught fire” and that “the fire had spread along the entire length of the ship.”

    Fire-prone lithium-ion batteries

    Blackout News adds in its February 2023 article: “Fires occur time and again in electric cars. Mostly the lithium-ion batteries burn, which are difficult to extinguish. In Germany, several bus depots with electric buses have already burned down. Although there are statistics listing vehicle fires that distinguish between cars. trucks and two-wheelers. However, electric cars are not listed separately.”. . . .
     
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