The Antichrist and the False Prophet

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  1. Outsidethebox

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    REVELATION 13:13 (NIV)

    1 And I saw a beast [Antichrist] coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name [MAGA].

    2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

    3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. [During the first assassination attempt, nobody knew how seriously Trump was wounded, it could have been fatal, until he stood up defiantly, yelling “FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT” shaking his fist as if pounding down on the enemy]

    4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast [Antichrist] and asked, “Who is like the beast [Antichrist]? Who can wage war against it?” [WHO in the GOP is more popular than Trump? NOBODY!]

    5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words [exalts himself] and blasphemies [LIES] and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. [this indicates that IF Trump/Musk take power in 2025, something bad happens 42 months later]

    REVELATION 13:11

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    Then I saw a second beast [False Prophet], coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.

    12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf [Musk gave over $100 million to Trump’s campaign] and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed [assassination attempt failed].

    13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people [NOBODY in the history of the world, ever brought fire down from heaven to earth. Many have sent rockets from earth to heaven on a trajectory to crash and explode among an enemy, but nobody brought fire from heaven down this way but Elon Musk]

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    14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. IT [False Prophet Musk] ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast * who was wounded by the sword and yet lived [survived assassination attempt].

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    15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image * of the first beast, so that the image could speak [X is very supportive of Trump and Putin] and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

    REVELATION 19:20

    "But the beast was captured
    [INDICTED 4 TIMES], and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf [brought Spacex booster down to earth]. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast [MAGA red cap on the forehead] and worshiped its image* The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur." (NIV)

    In this verse, both the beast (the Antichrist) and the false prophet are captured and thrown into the lake of fire, a place of eternal punishment. This is presented as a final judgment against their deception and their role in leading people away from God.

    REVELATION 19:10

    "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast [Antichrist] and the false prophet [GUESS WHO?] had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

    This verse describes how the devil joins them in the lake of fire, where they are all to be tormented "forever and ever."
     
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    I know of an article that you might just rather enjoy.......

    I read the first five pages of part 10 yesterday... he is on a similar page to where you are at. I am on a very different page from both you and near death experiencer Robert Mendelson but certainly the timing for this theory is interesting.




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    Conrats, Outsidethebox, you got your Antichrist. Get ready for the Apocalypse. :hippie:

     
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    This topic should be in the Conspiracy Theories category, not Religion and Philosophy.
    Americans didn't choose to elect Donald Trump over God. They elected him over Kamala Harris. Americans are all still free to worship God or not, however it is that we might see fit to do so in our personal lives.
    And where exactly is this image of righteousness to which you hold Trump so as to condemn him for not worshipping or aligning or comporting himself to it? Perhaps his victory will result in sending the image and the Democrat party into the the lake of fire and torment for their having worshipped it, all the while they were threatening hardship for those who don't. Everything the left does is for the sake of appearance and image.
     
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    Americans chose the Antichrist, the man of sin, or man of lawlessness, the one who ACTS evil, hateful, and vile, given every opportunity. If you believe the bible, then 42 months from now something bad will happen. The idea of the Antichrist, False Prophet, and Satan himself, all ending up in a lake of fire, sounds like nuclear war. I hope I'm wrong. Now let's see how he deals with his "enemies from within." Firing squads? Cuts to social security and Medicare? Destroy Obamacare? Replacing thousands of competent experienced federal employees with incompetent but very loyal minions? Judge Cannon as AG? Etc.
     
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    Who is the Antichrist?

    has the mouth of a lion – Revelation 13:2

    is arrogant, shall exalt himself above others – Daniel 8:25

    will “throw truth to the ground.” – Daniel 8:12

    will be a vile person – Daniel 11:21

    does as he pleases – Daniel 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and boast against every god and will speak dreadful things… and he will be successful until the indignation is finished” – Daniel 11:36 NASB - Trump: “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss, I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the psssss. You can do anything.”

    will love money as it is the love of money, not money itself, that is the “root of all kinds of evil.” – 1 Timothy 6:10 Trump said “My whole life I’ve been greedy, greedy, greedy for money. I grabbed all the money I can get. I’m so greedy.”

    will honor the “god of forces” Apollo (Apollyon), the sun god. “In his estate he shall honor the God of Forces, a god his father knew not, he shall honor with gold, silver, precious stones, and other pleasant things.” – Daniel 11:38. Trump had a reproduction of Guido Reni’s “Aurora Fresco” (aka “The Triumph of Apollo Led by the Aurora”) painted on the ceiling of his penthouse in Trump Tower

    is revealed as the “man of lawlessness” and by the “falling away” or “rebellion” (insurrection) from Christ to the Antichrist (Jan 6 Capitol Riot) - 2 Thessalonians 2: 3

    sows discord - Proverbs 6:14 - “Perversity is in his heart, He devises evil continually. He sows discord.”

    is called “the little horn.” – Daniel 7:8 The word “trump” (abbreviation of “trumpet”) appears twice in the KJV bible, which was published in 1611, trumpet is the “little horn.” The little horn has “the eyes of a man and boasts great things.”

    works deceitfully
    – Daniel 11:23 - “He shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up and shall become strong with a small people”

    understands dark sentences
    – Daniel 8:23 - “A king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall standup”

    attains the kingdom by flattery
    – Daniel 11:21 - “And in His estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but He shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries

    will succeed in all that he does – Daniel 8:24 “His power will be great, but it will not be His own. He will cause terrible destruction [Covid mismanagement] and succeed in whatever He does. He will destroy the mighty men along with the holy people.”

    will amaze the world – Revelation 13:3

    will come in his own name and be accepted - John 5:43 - Jesus said: "I came in my Father's name, and you received me not: if another shall come [Trump] in HIS own name, you will receive."

    will deny the Father and the Son. He said he does not seek God’s forgiveness, thus denying the need for a savior – 1 John 2:22

    is connected to gold – Rev. 13:18 King Solomon became obsessed with gold and pagan gods during his later years. Trump’s obsession with gold [gold jeweled watches, gold sneakers, gold painted face and golden hair] and “pleasant things” is like King Solomon

    will look more stout than his fellows – Daniel 7:20

    a unique, unstoppable force that can’t be fought against – Rev. 13:4 “And they worshipped the dragon which gave power to the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying “Who is like unto the beast? Whom can make war with Him?”

    The word "trump" appears in two verses in the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible, as an abbreviation of "trumpet," associated with the end of days:

    1 Corinthians 15:52 - "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 - "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

    15 Bible Verses Identifying Trump as the Antichrist

    12 More Bible Verses Identifying Trump as the Antichrist

    Evangelicals Are Blinded to Donald Trump
     
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    An apocalypse like Revelation is a political commentary over the recent past and current events. It allows the author to write about things which would otherwise prevent the writing from being disseminated.

    The political purpose of Revelation was to describe the Christian "game plan". The writer describes how pacifism and words were going to defeat the major powers of the day rather than violent rebellion.
     
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    Search Youtube for "elon musk warp drive" and there are MANY Youtubes about Musk's "warp drive" that he is NOT working on. In this BOGUS video at about minute 6:00 the narrator starts describing the "warp drive" that DOES NOT EXIST, that Elon is supposed to be testing in orbit. That is a blatant false prophecy.



    Mathew 24:24 - "...false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, [Spacex, Tesla, Elon bought and transformed Twitter to X, etc] so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect."

    2 Peter 2:1 - "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."

    1 John 4:1 - ”Do not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."

    Deuteronomy 18:20 – “when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."

    Jerimiah 14:14 – “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds."

    Elon often wears his "OCCUPY MARS" T shirt. Yes, maybe dozens of scientists will walk on Mars by 2050, but a million people will not move to live there. Another false prophecy. Elon Musk’s plan to put one million on Mars by 2050 would involve tens of thousands of people relocating to Mars each year through regular Starship flights. He has estimated that a fleet of 1,000 Starships could transport about 100,000 people per Mars transfer window (every 26 months, when Earth and Mars align favorably). - Another false prophecy
     
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    Was Trump the antichrist when he beat Clinton. If so, why didn't he destroy the country and world rather then build it up. Was Trump the antichrist when he lost to Biden. If so, how does such evil lose. If Trump is now the antichrist, why didn't Harris tell everyone that if they vote for him, they will all go to hell. Where are Trump and Musk's horns and crowns. Which one looks like a leopard with the feet of a bear and mouth of a lion. Which one was grievously wounded unto death and restored. How is the scientific return of a rocket a miraculous calling down of fire from heaven. How does Musk's scientific accomplishment empower Trump. As for lawlessness and sin, who promotes open borders, sanctuary cities, defund the Police, no cash bail, abortion, promiscuity, dependency and deviancy, all in the name of godly compassion. In so doing, who pulls down the truth and exalts evil?
     
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    You can use verses to suit your own narrative but the question is, do you ever use them to be introspective? Especially when it comes to prophesy? I see your's as a very subjective interpretation and it's better left alone unless you ascribee yourself as being a "prophet". That comes with an indescribable responsibility!
     
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    These are simply a collection of bible verses that describe the classical Antichrist. WHO do these character traits remind you of? America elected the Antichrist to his position of power, supported by his false prophet Elon Musk. Starting on Jan 20, we have 42 months to the end.

    Revelation 13:5:"And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months."

    WHO does this sound like?

    "mouth of a lion"..."feet of a bear" - Revelation 13:2

    "exalts himself above everything" - 2 Thessalonians 2:4

    "arrogant, shall exalt himself above others" – Daniel 8:25

    “he will throw truth to the ground.” – Daniel 8:12

    "will be a vile person" – Daniel 11:21

    "does as he pleases" – Daniel 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and boast against every god, and will speak dreadful things… and he will be successful until the indignation is finished” – Daniel 11:36 NASB

    "will love money" - 1 Timothy 6:10

    "will honor the god of forces” Apollo (Apollyon), the sun god. “In his estate he shall honor the God of Forces, a god his father knew not, he shall honor with gold, silver, precious stones, and other pleasant things.” – Daniel 11:38

    "sows discord" - Proverbs 6:14

    "works deceitfully" – Daniel 11:23

    "understands dark sentences" – Daniel 8:23

    "attains the kingdom by flattery" – Daniel 11:21 - “And in His estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but He shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries

    "he will amaze the world" – Revelation 13:3

    "he will succeed in all that he does" – Daniel 8:24 “His power will be great, but it will not be His own. He will cause terrible destruction [Covid mismanagement] and succeed in whatever He does. He will destroy the mighty men along with the holy people.”

    "he will look more stout than his fellows" – Daniel 7:20

    "he is a unique, unstoppable force that can’t be fought against" – Revelation 13:4 “And they worshipped the dragon which gave power to the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying “Who is like unto the beast? Whom can make war with Him?”

    The name "Trump" appears twice in the KJV, published in 1611, as an abbreviation of the word "trumpet" as in "God's trumpet" or the "last trumpet" at the end of days.

    1 Corinthians 15:52 - "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 - "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
     
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    His first term in office was a learning experience. Now he is rid of all disloyal to his every whim, and he has the False Prophet Elon Musk supporting him, enabling him, manipulating him, and paving the way. He will exalt himself almost daily. Trump can exercise total power with control of (1) the Senate, probably control of (2) the House also, and (3) the Supreme Court. And he now has expanded immunity from SCOTUS. He has promised to be a dictator on day one. He will pardon the Jan 6 rioters. Probably make Erique Tarrio and Shawn Rhodes the leaders of his secret death squad.

    I just realized that maybe the "dragon" referred to in Revelation is Putin. Maybe, Putin gives power to the beast? Trump is the Antichrist, obviously, Elon Musk is the False Prophet, obviously, and maybe the "dragon" is Putin? The 42-month clock starts ticking on Jan 20.
     
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    If I recall, in Daniel, the anti-Christ does not make himself known until the Temple is rebuilt. That hasn't happened yet. I don't really care myself. There is a lot to be done before any of that happens.
     
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    That's right. Trump has never "made himself known" as the Antichrist. Maybe "entering the temple" means entering Mar-A-Lago. However, you might consider that the bible is not always 100% accurate. Maybe WHEN exactly the temple is rebuilt is not of consequence. Any single Bible verse is suspect to being nonsensical, when you consider "Genesis."

    "Some interpretations of the Bible suggest that the Antichrist's identity will be fully revealed only after the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem. This belief is based primarily on passages from the New Testament, particularly in the books of Daniel, Matthew, and 2 Thessalonians.
    2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, where the Apostle Paul writes that a "man of lawlessness" will enter the temple, proclaiming himself to be God. This event is seen by some as a sign that the Antichrist's rise to power will involve desecrating a holy temple, which leads to the view that a physical temple must be standing for this prophecy to occur." (Or Mar-A-Lago)

    "In Revelation 13:2, it is said that "the dragon [Putin] gave the beast [Antichrist] his power and his throne and great authority." This indicates that the dragon (Satan or Putin) empowers and authorizes the first beast (Antichrist Trump), while the second beast (False Prophet Musk) works to support the worship and influence of the first beast, effectively forming an unholy alliance to deceive and oppose the people of God." Who is more like the "dragon" than Putin, a man who systematically assassinates people, and commits war crimes almost daily.

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    The Bible is 100% accurate or it is not accurate at all. The Temple means the Temple and that will be in Jerusalem. There are Jews working now to rebuild that.
    Here I'll entertain you......If the "Temple" really means Mar-A-Lago then, the abomination in the Temple was when the FBI busted in and did an illegal search, and Joe Biden declared himself the "Anti-Christ" (only in private) not public but we know because I said! LOL
    Also FYI, the Book of Daniel is O.T.
     
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    The bible is much nonsense. However sometimes the verses have a peculiar meaning that rhyme with the time. Perhaps the "Temple" does not really mean anything. How do you know what an Antichrist is? By its' characteristics, by its' fruits. Not because he says "I am the Antichrist." If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and it also quacks like a duck, it's an Antichrist. And the False Prophet Musk supports it by over $100 million, and "brings fire down from heaven to the earth in view of the people." And the "dragon" is Putin the war criminal, who also gave Trump money and support, and therefore power and his throne, and great authority to be president of the US.

    Why does it matter that the book of Daniel is OT?
     
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    The Bible is written in an astonishing way that allows for us humans to repent.... change our ways....and then the worst possible negative outcome is avoided.....

    If the G. O. P. had NOT hired courageous police officers..... lawyers... and judges to prevent The Steal of the 2024 election........

    a truly apocalyptic future for America would have occurred......... as President Kamala would have been even more unethical than Biden and Obama.......

    who were selling Americans out in every possible way.


    The Future and the Near-Death Experience
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2019


    I believe that America led by Trump will fulfill Isaiah chapter forty five.....

    45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

    3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

    4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

    5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

    6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

    7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

    8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

    9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

    10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

    11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

    12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

    13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.


    Biden and Kamala on the other hand were totally sold out to Bill Gates and whoever passed him the script for his "Innovating to zero" lecture that sounded like Mein Kampf by Hitler... on so many levels.


    Is Bill Gates the rider on the White Horse of Revelation six?



     
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    You are no authority.
     
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    During my time in the Church I was repeatedly warned about people like Trump… and I only attended conservative Churches in Idaho. Trump is the antithesis of the teachings of Christ yet MAGA doesn’t care, or can’t see this. Something I have learned about human nature is that at a sociological level evil tends to perceive itself as good… and do not we all perceive ourselves as good?

    Evil groups tend to see themselves as good and the victim of the evil of an out group which is then used to justify like evil against them. Another lesson I have learned is that we tend to be that which we dislike in others as human nature is systemic. It is predictable that those that disagree with what I say here will try to find an exception to the rule rather than to see our common nature.
     
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    So is the Bible.
    You only presume it's 'the word of G.O.D.' and base everything on that presumption.
     
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    You presume an awful lot about your existence I can assure you. I have witnessed the evidence that convinced me. Perhaps it is because I have experienced "brokenness" to a degree that opened my eyes to my own fragility. I lost a lt of my "haughtiness". Someday you might experience the same.
     
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    Funny, Mr. Satan has the same tactics - first he brakes you (lie, rob, steal, rape, murder, etc) then you beg for mercy and submit.
    I don't have illusions about my fragility, I know I am mortal and can depart this world any day.
     
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    Here's a suggestion for you if you have the time and desire to be introspective in anyway. It's a book that may or may not change your life.
    "I don't have enough FAITH to be an ATHEIST" by Norman L.Geisler & Frank Turek
    I already had my convictions when I read it, but the "science" of the book bolstered what I already took on "faith".
     
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    Been doing that for the last 25 years or so.

    Sounds like the proverbial 'it will either rain or it will not'.

    Good for you. I may check it out, who knows. If I have a break from the imminent Christian Tribulation, Rapture or/and nuclear war. :dizzy:
     

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