The ark and a world wide flood.

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  1. rahl

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    yes, if you make up silly scenarios of the mountains flattening or ocean floors rising then the flood story would seem possible. But we know that wasn't the case 6,000 years ago, so we know there was never a global flood at any time in earths history.
     
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    It is possible by historical evidence.


    First place I was talking about how judas died not who bought the field. Second there are other ways to know who bought the field. And the answer is judas provided the money for the field.
    Maybe because either (a) it was not worth mentioning or (b) judas took the noose with him as he fell.


    I don't ignore the contradictions, I address them.
     
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    But not geology itself.
    No I don't.

    The Bible says many times that God strecthed out the heavens. So the question is not how the light get from there to here. The question should be how did the star get from here to there.

    Provide an example.
     
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    Geology is history.. written in the rocks and strata.

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    And also identifying minerals which is unrelated to history in it of itself.

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    True, but it was world wide so your point is moot.
     
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    ..first you need establish that according to the Jews testimony Elijah never died before he went to heeaven.
    That is essential to the story of the Bible.

    Elijah returns as Mal 4:5 predicted.
    And them Jesus again goes to heaven alive.
    That is the whole Bible sequence, whether they believe the testimony or not.
     
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    yep.
    They had an entirely different story, which then explained what happened between the gods.

    Moses used the same well known beliefs as the literary vehicle by which he could explain the evolution of 22 "kinds" of extinct humans that ended with only our own three racial species living here.
    This was followed by what the famous scientists, Isaac Asimov called The Table of Nations list all peoples that followed.
     
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    but we know that no such flood ever happened.
     
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    Yeah, yeah,...

    But you also deny the accurate facts of the story, which correspond amazingly well with the 22 now extinct species that ended with three racial stocks "flooding" onto the whole world, even up the mountain tops, too.
    The story seems we written so ancients would accept it in spite they had no idea of the long duration of time which were necessary.

    How would you have told the story were you living 3000 years ago, and expected others to believe and pass it on into the future...???
     
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    Yes, that is your side of the argument here.
    I get it.
    You are saying that.

    Mine is that the Bible is a factually written insight into human behavior which sums up the Gays and Harlots as destroyers of advanced societies.
    But for you to keep telling me you are on the other side is unnecessary.

    Tell me how the Gays and Harlots are not responsible for the present whoredom of the West so I can explain it to Islam.
     
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    The Bible constantly references harlots so their must have been harlots and bastards around back then.. You just hate women.
     
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    which is demonstrably false.
    I'm not on any side. I'm pointing out the bible is factually incorrect.

    how are gays and harlots responsible for whoredom? Why do you glance over irresponsible heterosexual males?
     
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    LOLOL.. How indeed? Someone hates women and feels like a victim.
     
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    Actually, I was responding to Maccabee, who was responding to you. And he doesn't say that the Earth was completely flat, he is saying it was flat enough that the water covered the highest mountain by 15 cubits, or about 22 feet. He is correct to, if the average topographical variation was only 1.7 miles. Assuming an equal distribution of elevations, that would give a maximum elevation change of nearly 4 miles from the lowest valley to the highest peak. However, Earth does not have an equal distribution of topography, and the maximum elevation change is over 12 miles.
     
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    Point...?
    Yes the harlots are constantly referred as the evil which causes the very problems I describe:


    Isa. 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith (as sociology for all nations yet to come), Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, (here, just before the Babylonian Captivity to come upon them, as an example for the future world to understand), and walk (as if in the business of sexual favors), with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

    Isa. 3:17 Therefore the Lord, (the forces of almighty Reality), will smite with a scab the (matriarchal) crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret part (which they play in schemes of the sexual negotiation).

    Isa. 3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,

    Isa. 3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,

    Isa. 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,

    Isa. 3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,

    Isa. 3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,

    Isa. 3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils.

    Isa. 3:24 And, (the consequences of the matriarchy that emerges from these sexual negotiations is) it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell (of suburban success) there shall be stink (of the dead in Holocaust); and instead of a (seductive) girdle a (tear), rent, (in the social order); and instead of well set hair, baldness; and instead of a (beautiful and expensive) stomacher ,a girding of sackcloth (on those concentration encampments: [Isa 28:21]); and burning (in the crematoriums of Nazi Germany) instead of beauty, [Rev 11:7-13]

    Isa. 3:25 Thy men, (time and again), shall fall by the sword (to the enemies at the gates of your rich society), and thy (high and) mighty (economic and political leaders) in the war.

    Isa. 3:26 And (the matriarchy of these women), her gates shall lament (the misfortune) and mourn; (the carnage of her children) and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.
     
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    What I'm saying is that the a lot if not most if the water we see today was underground. Enough of it was enough to be a mile deep if everything was flat.

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    So you are saying that Earth's topographical variation changed from just a couple of miles to over 12 miles in a short period of time near the end of the flood. Do you have any concept how violent that much land movement would be? How could the ark, loaded down with Noah's family and the animals survive in these conditions?
     
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    A lot of that violence would be cut if the sediments and other stuff was soft instead of rock hard.
     
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    When only 5% of all rocks are sedimentary rock, it wouldn't be cut very much. It also wouldn't explain why we see so many tilted sedimentary rocks if they formed after the mountains rose.
     
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    The rest of the rocks like volcanic and limestone was at one point soft. Silica is soft as well.
     
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    First of all, limestone is a sedimentary rock, and silica (otherwise known as silicon dioxide) is a chemical compound, not a rock. "The rest of the rocks" you're referring to are either igneous rocks (basalt, granite, obsidian, etc.) or metamorphic rocks (marble, slate, etc.), which are only soft under extreme temperatures or pressures. Are you going to add this to your flood theory?

    Back to the sedimentary rock though, your theory says that these layers were all laid down during the flood, correct?
     
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