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The Attempt to Establish a Climate Ministry of Truth

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  1. Gateman_Wen

    Gateman_Wen Well-Known Member

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    How could it have? That never even existed.
     
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    obfuscation is not helpful. CLimate change is real. The evidence is right in front of you. All you have to do is open your eyes.
     
    Gateman_Wen, May 7, 2023
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    Views on climate change differ. This thread is about attempts to suppress debate about those views.
     
    Jack Hays, May 7, 2023
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you find Mill difficult?
     
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    Lol, no. There's a general consensus among sane people that climate change is a problem, then there's a few whack-jobs that deny the evidence of their own eyes.
     
    Gateman_Wen, May 7, 2023
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sorry, but the evidence does not support your claim.
     
    Jack Hays, May 7, 2023
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes. That's my point.
     
    Jack Hays, May 7, 2023
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    Alas you have been disinformed.
    For the Inconvenient Truth Google: Dezinformburo
     
    Ddyad, May 8, 2023
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    Sorry, but it does. Every single reputable climate scientist agrees with me and says deniers are nuttier than squirrel turds.
     
    Gateman_Wen, May 8, 2023
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    That's got nothing to do with this ridiculous "ministry of truth" think you kids keep bloviating about. It never existed, was never planned, was nothing more than a stupid distraction from what was really supposed to happen.
     
    Gateman_Wen, May 8, 2023
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    This is from Professor Nir Shaviv, Chairman of the Racah Center for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and an IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study. His climate-related publications in peer-reviewed journals number in the dozens.

    How Climate Change Pseudoscience Became Publicly Accepted
     
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    Boom! Chukka-lukka-lukka.
    New Study: 90% Of Recent Warming Is From Shortwave Cloud Forcing…Humans Contributed 0.03°C
    By Kenneth Richard on 8. May 2023

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    Data analysis again reveals the increase in absorbed shortwave forcing has been driving modern climate change since the 1970s. CO2 changes are more of an effect than a cause of temperature increases.
    Scientists have for years been pointing to the causality sequencing problem inherent in the claim that CO2 is the driver of temperature changes.

    The sequencing observation clearly supports the conclusion that variations in the CO2 growth rate lag changes in temperatures by about 4-10 months (Humlum et al., 2013, Koutsoyiannis and Kundzewicz, 2020, Koutsoyiannis et al., 2022). Effects can only lag – not lead – causes.

    Wang et al. (2013) further estimate only 10% of the variance in global CO2 growth rates can be explained by fossil fuel emissions. Instead, there is a “strong and persistent coupling (r² ≈ 0.50) between interannual variations of the CO2 growth rate and tropical land-surface temperature during 1959-2011.”[​IMG]

    Image Source: Wang et al., 2013
    Building on this temperature→CO2 directional causality, Jyrki Kauppinen and Pekka Malmi (2023), Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Turku, have used existing CO2 and temperature data to calculate an 83 ppm CO2 increase associated with a 1°C surface temperature increase. The authors suggest this 83 ppm/°C value is consistent with Henry’s Law and CO2 residence time calculations.

    Kauppinen and Malmi further assess the warming in recent decades has been predominantly (90%) driven by the increase in absorbed solar radiation due to the downward trend in cloud cover.

    The greenhouse effect has contributed just 10% to the warming trend, and the human contribution to the CO2 concentration changes is only a fraction (hundredths of a degree) of that 10% impact – about 0.03°C since 1980.

    Thus, not only is the “causality used in IPCC reports wrong,” but “the greenhouse effect cannot explain climate change.”

    “Since 1970, according to the observations, the changes of the low cloud cover have caused practically the observed temperature changes. The low cloud cover has gradually decreased starting in 1975. The human contribution was about 0.01°C in 1980 and now it is close 0.03°C.”
    [​IMG]

    Image Source: Kauppinen and Malmi, 2023
     
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    You have been disinformed, and you ignored my advice to use Google.

    Ii have pasted up some informative links to help your search for The Inconvenient Truth. :)


    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Reich_Ministry_of_Public_Enlightenment_and_Propaganda

    Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda

    The Reich Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda ( Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda; RMVP), also known simply as the Ministry of Propaganda ( Propagandaministerium ), controlled the content of the press, literature, visual arts, film, theater, music and radio in Nazi Germany



    https://chinamediaproject.org › the_ccp_dictionary › covid-19-and-covid-19

    Ministry of Truth - China Media Project

    "Ministry of Truth" is a relatively sensitive phrase used online in China, referencing the department described in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four tasked with policing language and thought, to holistically describe the entire system of information controls.


    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org › 9822 › germany-ministry-of-truth

    Germany's New 'Ministry of Truth' - Gatestone Institute

    Germany's foreign minister and the probable future federal president, Frank-Walter Steinmeier -- one of the first to travel to Iran after the removal of sanctions there to kowtow to the...


    https://www.publishersweekly.com › 9781932595277

    The Ministry of Truth: Kim Jong-Il's North Korea by - Publishers Weekly

    The Ministry of Truth: Kim Jong-Il's North Korea BUY THIS BOOK The Ministry of Truth: Kim Jong-Il's North Korea . Feral House, $22.95 (133pp) ISBN 978-1-932595-27-7


    https://www.wilsoncenter.org › event › ministry-truth-2021-fighting-fake-news-old-fashioned-way

    A "Ministry of Truth" in 2021: Fighting Fake News the Old-Fashioned Way

    Jan 24, 2022A "Ministry of Truth" in 2021: Fighting Fake News the Old-Fashioned Way Date & Time Monday Jan. 24, 2022 1:30pm - 2:30pm ET Location BY WEBCAST Event Sponsor Kennan Institute Overview The Russian government has seen fake news and rumors as an imminent threat to be eliminated by the State for much of its history.


    https://www.nytimes.com › 1989 › 06 › 12 › world › at-china-s-ministry-of-truth-history-is-quickly-rewritten.html

    At China's Ministry of Truth, History Is Quickly Rewritten

    Jun 12, 1989At China's Ministry of Truth, History Is Quickly Rewritten Give this article By Richard Bernstein, Special To the New York Times June 12, 1989 The New York Times Archives See the article in its...



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk › news › 2023 › 01 › 30 › time-close-governments-ministry-truth

    It's time to close the Government's Ministry of Truth - The Telegraph

    Jan 30, 2023The Government's "Ministry of Truth" has been exposed. The Orwellian collection of secretive units across Government departments that claim to counter misinformation has been found to in fact...


    https://www.wsj.com › articles › biden-establishes-a-ministry-of-truth-disinformation-governance-board-partisan-11651432312

    Biden Establishes a Ministry of Truth - WSJ

    Biden Establishes a Ministry of Truth. Share. Resize. Listen (2 min) ... But there's one small problem with empowering "truth experts": Experts are people. Opinion See More.


    https://hongkongfp.com › 2016 › 02 › 08 › ministry-of-truth-a-brief-history-of-televised-confessions-in-china

    Ministry of Truth: A brief history of televised 'confessions' in China ...

    Ministry of Truth: A brief history of televised 'confessions' in China. On a hot day in July 1967, a hundred thousand people gathered at a sports field at the Beijing Aeronautical and ...


    https://rsf.org › en › russian-regulator-censors-ukraine-war-coverage-reporters-told-toe-kremlin-line

    Russian regulator censors Ukraine war coverage, reporters told to toe ...

    Mar 1, 2022Читать на русском / Read in Russian. Russia's media regulator, Roskomnadzor, has become a "Ministry of Truth," as the independent Journalists and Media Workers Union courageously pointed out.The words "war," "attack" and "invasion" are now banned from the media. Only information from "official Russian sources" - the defence ministry - is now permitted.


    https://thehill.com › opinion › white-house › 3472878-joe-bidens-ministry-of-truth

    Joe Biden's 'Ministry of Truth' | The Hill

    May 1, 2022The Biden administration's Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced this week that it has launched what is being dubbed a Disinformation Governance Board to combat "misinformation." No,...


    https://chinadigitaltimes.net › space › Ministry_of_Truth

    Ministry of Truth - China Digital Space

    Ministry of Truth 真理部 (Zhēnlǐ Bù): Ministry of Truth "Masthead" for the Ministry of Truth weekly bulletin, which quotes Nineteen Eighty-Four: "War is peace; freedom is slavery; ignorance is...


    https://www.independent.co.uk › news › uk › politics › coronavirus-eu-ventilator-scheme-foreign-office-uk-simon-mcdonald-a9479021.html

    'Ministry of Truth': No 10 appears to crack down on dissenting voices ...

    News UK UK Politics 'Ministry of Truth': No 10 appears to crack down on dissenting voices within Whitehall Ministry of Defence officials also feel 'in firing line' if they veer off message


    https://www.themandarin.com.au › 182341-putins-ministry-of-truth

    Putin's ministry of truth: How the Kremlin has struggled to control ...

    Feb 23, 2022Putin's ministry of truth: How the Kremlin has struggled to control what Russians think Vladimir Putin guiding his flock. (EPA/Russian Presidential Press Service /RIA Novosti /Kremlin Pool) It is impossible to know what ordinary Russians think about Putin's onslaught against Ukraine.


    https://www.newsweek.com › joe-bidens-disinformation-board-likened-orwells-ministry-truth-1702190

    Joe Biden's Disinformation Board Likened to Orwell's 'Ministry of Truth'

    Apr 29, 2022DHS' "Ministry of Truth" is a crackdown on our Constitutional right to Free Speech. — Rep. Elise Stefanik (@RepStefanik) April 29, 2022 The Orwellian comparisons caused the hashtag "Ministry...


    https://www.ancient-forums.com › viewtopic.php?t=63164

    "The Ministry of Truth" in France - Joy Of Satan Forums

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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com › articles › 2022 › 04 › 29 › bidens_ministry_of_truth_147538.html#!

    Biden's Ministry of Truth | RealClearPolitics

    Apr 29, 2022The one-time neoliberal champion of free speech -- a freedom he employed aggressively to mislead the American people when it served his partisan interests -- alleged during a recent Stanford ...


    https://warontherocks.com › category › special-series › ministry-of-truth

    Ministry of Truth Archives - War on the Rocks

    Ministry of Truth What We Talk About When We Talk About Chinese Communist Party Interference in the Public Square Beijing's Influence Operations Target Chinese Diaspora


    https://www.cnn.com › 2018 › 07 › 25 › opinions › trump-tape-tweet-orwellian-tuesday-avlon-opinion › index.html

    Donald Trump and the Ministry of Truth (opinion) | CNN

    Jul 25, 2018In "1984," the Ministry of Truth is dedicated to teaching citizens to accept sinister nonsense, like 2+2=5 and War is Peace. The test of a loyal party member is "a loyal willingness to say that...


    https://www.nationalreview.com › corner › there-is-no-ministry-of-truth-minister-of-truth-confirms

    'There Is No Ministry of Truth,' Minister of Truth Confirms

    Oregon Bill Forcing Health Insurance to Pay for Gender Transitions Excludes Detransition Care. A Tale for Earth Day. Bragg and Jordan Settle . . . at Least for Now. Bud Light's Marketing VP ...


    https://thehill.com › opinion › civil-rights › 534502-aocs-ministry-of-truth

    AOC's Ministry of Truth | The Hill

    Ministries of Truth have no business in a free and fair U.S. media. And it's amazing to see how many in the media are ignoring these dangerous comments. Because, apparently, it's the 11th...


    A corrupt ruling political class always gives birth to Orwellian government and institutions.
     
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    Not a climatologist. Sorry. Try again?
     
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    It doesn't matter how many of the climate deniers you post, it doesn't change the fact that they are whack-job conspiracy theorists.

    Also they still aren't climatologists.
     
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    Jack Hays, May 23, 2023
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    i tend to believe scientists, even given the fact they are human and suffer from all of mankind's issues such as greed, arrogance, etc, etc..the RW amateurs
     
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    Yes, and . . . ?
     
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    RW media usually pushes amateurish balony about everything, its their M.O....always has been
     
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    Ah. So your point is your own media bias rather than anything substantive. Thanks for clarifying.
     
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    i have not watched any "media" or TV news in decades, being an IT professional, i browse topic form headlines and then do web searches using duckduck go to finds materials from many sources
     
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