The Authoritarians Can Stuff It: New SoCal school board bans CRT on day one

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  1. dairyair

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    So you can't find that stuff on the NEA website either?
    OK, I think we're done here then.
     
  2. ToughTalk

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    Oh no no no. You don't get to hand wave this off as simply being taught history. History lessons didn't involve teachers requesting you not to tell your parents. History lessons do not involve white shame or guilt or black victimhood. History lessons did not create segregation, punishment or promotion based on race and a slew of other racial bullshit I've linked or presented in this thread.

    Lol. You are being incredibly bad faith.
     
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  3. Kal'Stang

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    So you support social activist teachers/teaching?
     
  4. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Yes, yes I do.
    It is simply being taught as history. Nothing you've posted suggest otherwise. But for perhaps a 1 or 2 off here and there.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    What?
    Can you find the info your link claimed NEA said or posted on their website or not.
    It does not appear so. So, you have no context of that article to what they quoted.
     
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    Every example is an example of overt.racist policies or divisive practices.

    Pick one thing that I've posted and please. Detail why it isn't a bad idea.
     
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  7. Kal'Stang

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    NEA scrubbed any reference to CRT on its website in 2021. So you won't find it. Thank the waybackmachine for still having it.

    LINK: New Business Item 39 - 2021 NEA Annual Meeting (archive.org)

    Oh wait...let me guess...because the NEA doesn't mention it on its current website that means its not using CRT related education anymore...is that going to be your next argument now that you cannot possibly honestly deny what you have already been told and shown?

    And are you ever going to address Detroit Public Schools Superintendent Nikolai Vitti admitting to using it? Or address the fact that teachers using tiktok have admitted to using it? What argument will you use to dismiss those I wonder...
     
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    Perhaps the NEA and tiktok teachers have all been duped by the RW boogeyman?
     
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    History is history.
    You pick one and show how it's an overt racist policy or diverse practice in primary education.
     
  10. dairyair

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    I will use that it's scrubbed. But the very 1st item was,
    "Share and publicize, through existing channels, information already available on critical race theory (CRT) -- what it is and what it is not; have a team of staffers for members who want to learn more and fight back against anti-CRT rhetoric;"


    Perhaps reopened under a new guidance? '
    So all they were talking about at the time is putting out and sharing information that is already available.
    Not teaching CRT, just making public aware it's out there.

    So, they are sharing History.
    Not putting forth curriculum.

    .I gather talking about the History of our country and what it did or did not do to non whites is upsetting to you.
    Why? What's there to be afraid of?
     
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  11. Pycckia

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    Focusing on slavery is giving short shift to the more important achievements of the US.
     
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  12. Kal'Stang

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    You said you wanted context, now you have it, and now cherry picking is all you want to do. Why not address the WHOLE thing? The part you cherry picked is there just for people like you to use as something to focus an argument on while ignoring everything else.

    Why would they need a team of staffers to fight back against anti-CRT rhetoric if its JUST a college course and its ONLY being used in college? You don't need a team of staffers to educate teachers to simply say "its only being taught in college". Remember, people are against it being taught in K-12..they don't care about it being taught in college/universities.
    Why would they oppose banning CRT and/or the 1619 Project (which again, is based on CRT per the author)?
    Why would they believe "it is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory."? (see that underlined part? That is exactly part of what CRT is about and shows how its being taught in K-12)
    Why would they "educate" members on "tools and resources" that include "tools like CRT"?
    Why would they promote, through all forms of media, that includes CRT in education?
     
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    Cherry pick? All you anti-CRT folks do is cherry pick. Can never point to an actual policy that is in effect.
    Or you cherry pick a teacher or 2 out of 4M teachers that over stepped their bounds.
    You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Um, do they have that anti-CRT staff today?
    Did they ever have that staff?

    So what is it you are actually afraid of? What about history do you want kept a secret?
    Post the exact curriculum being taught that has you upset.
     
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    See 1519 project.
     
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    Yep, you did EXACTLY what I said you would do. Evidence does not matter to you as you are ignoring the evidence that YOU asked for. Pretending that they would entirely change their policy as shown by that resolution in just a year. You will ignore ANYTHING and EVERYTHING if it keeps your own agenda safe and sound.

    No one wants history ignored. Slavery has been taught about in school for longer than either of us has been alive. How black people were treated was never hidden. How the Chinese and other POC were treated was also never hidden and yes, it was taught about in grade school.

    What wasn't done is ignoring parts of history in order to push an agenda, like the 1619 Project does. What wasn't done was the pointing of fingers. Like it is being done now. What wasn't done is the blaming of TODAY's people for what happened in our past.

    You have proven that you want this sort of things taught. You've proven it by ignoring evidence and denying what is happening.

    We are done here. You're not worth my time any longer.
     
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  16. dairyair

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    You continue to do the same thing.
    Cherry pick.
    Evidence does matter. But you won't present any.
    Something from meeting minutes from 2021. That has never been put into effect. So, it's a nothingburger.

    If you had actual evidence, you would present it. But all you had so far in this thread is a few blacks owned slaves and some notes from meeting minutes back in 2021. That nothing ever came from them.

    What pointing fingers specifically has you upset. You never presented anything that is going on today or recently.
    Who blamed you? For what?
    I haven't been blamed for anything.

    What sort of things do I want taught? You haven't presented anything being taught.
    What is happening, you haven't shown anything that is happening.

    Can't say you didn't try, but you haven't proved anything that society as a whole should be concerned about.
    So, that is a very good reason to end this.
     
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    You could teach Trump a thing or two about denial and evaision. Maybe you should submit a resume
     
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    A post without substance. Very Pycckia like.
    Why not address the post instead of always posting ad homs?
     
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    No no. I've already posted enough examples. Time for you to back up your claims that they were no big deal
     
  20. dairyair

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    Back up my claims?
    There's no mainstream CRT primary education programs. CRT exists at college level elective course.
    Several of your examples actually showed that. And I pointed that out to you then.

    So, your examples to me were not anything about which you were claiming. And certainly aren't going to convince anyone that CRT in primary schools as a curriculum is BOGUS and political charade.
     
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    Republican banning speech, so much for free speech
     
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    some on the right thinks anything teaching diversity or getting along with others is CRT
     
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    Lol, like they even know what crt is. It’s just the conservative bullshit line to use against anything that questions their “racism against non whites is over and now whites are oppressed” narrative.
     
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    Exactly and that is why it should be banned k-12 across the country and taught only at the college level as an example of a conspiracy theory.
     
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    You re link an example I posted and your arguement as to why it's not a big deal
     

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