The awful truth about Holmes...

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  1. SigTurner

    SigTurner New Member

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    ...is that, had he not had been able to obtain firearms, he surely would have resorted to using incendiary bombs, or perhaps even chemical and biological weapons, that would likely have resulted in a much higher number of casualties.

    Disturbing as it may be, the fact is that there is no security against this sort of insanity. Our energies would be much better spent on intervention tactics designed to diffuse such incidents before they occur. Holmes did not live in a vacuum. He was a heretofore productive, indeed, talented individual of considerable intelligence, who under more favorable stars would have made a positive impact on the world. Surely there were signs that he had blown a gasket in a very serious and dangerous way. Rather than blaming the Second Amendment for this tragedy, we should be blaming a system of health and human services that fails to provide citizens such as Holmes the degree of readily accessible psychiatric attention necessary to avert such senseless horror.

    This being said, I do not mean suggest that Holmes be exonerated for such abominable behavior (assuming that he is, in fact, the responsible perpetrator in this horror) nor do I mean to deflect any measure of his personal culpability onto any other party. In my opinion, if Holmes did indeed commit this most heinous act (as all evidence heretofore suggests that he did) then he should be sentenced to death by lethal injection. However, the Second Amendment should NOT be sentenced to death along with him. The right to bear arms is in no way responsible for this horrendous tragedy.
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    The PC work environment has encouraged people to keep their noses to the grindstone and avoid saying anything. Major Hasan was openly supporting Islamists at Army conferences, and no one did anything out of fear of PC career damage. This is our new soft tyranny.


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    So we're lucky he just shot people with a semi?

    You can only hear argument like this from a conservative.
     
  5. SigTurner

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    Yes, we are lucky. Would you feel more fortunate if he had brought the whole theatre down in a mass explosion?

    The point is that there is no security against this type of insanity. A prohibition against the ownership of firearms will be of little use in the prevention of the likes of Holmes from committing such acts of mass murder, particularly when weighed against the potential for law abiding citizens to defend themselves, and their loved ones, against the much more common sociopaths in their midsts who are so much more likely to attack them.
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Gee, or maybe even a nuclear bomb!
     
  7. SigTurner

    SigTurner New Member

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    I'm sorry, was there some point you were trying to make?
     
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    better that than have him tossing Molotov cocktails into a crowded theater, as the op said some people just want to destroy
     
  9. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    Holmes FBI evidence # 1 ....

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  10. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's OWS Black Bloc for ya.
     
  11. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    It's already been discussed how bombs are rather easy to make from cleaning chemicals and other household items from the supermarket.

    So, the logic actually makes sense. For example, creating a gas grenade with chlorine gas wouldn't be that hard with just bleach and vinegar.
     
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    Or dirty bomb or fertilizer bomb or molotov cocktail or just plane bolt the doors and set fire to the place.
     
  13. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    I thought the OWS'rs were mindless unemployed homeless liberal skanks ... FBI evidence #1 shows a permium gas mask ... I wonder how much it cost ... the estimate for just Holmes military-grade combat protection/gear as around $2,000 ... so I don't see how you made the connection that Holmes was a podunk OWS'r ...
     
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    Black bloc is a demonstration tactic, not a group, and does not include walking into a movie theatre and shooting people. So no..... that's not black bloc for you.

    Tying black bloc to the occupy movement is dishonest and disrespectful to both. Black bloc demonstrations have been taking place for years before Occupy, and the organizers of occupy (as well as the vast majority of occupy participants) completely reject black bloc tactics.
     
  15. one more clone

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    How many people did timothy mcveigh kill and what guns did he use?

    How many people did the 9/11 terrorists kill and what guns did they use?

    Ditto ted kazinski.

    ditto the tylanol killer.

    ditto the japanese subway killer.

    etc.
     
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    Most of them are, but some are extremely intelligent and educated people who have simply been misguided by their liberal universities.

    Misguided and intelligent is a dangerous mix.
     
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    I see ... how do you explain Bush ... a Holmes massacre was occuring once a minute during his psychotic genocidal mass-murdering Iraq War ...
     
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    I don't think he's crazy. That was some serious planning he did. He's playing right now. And he's a coward. Look how fast he gave himself up. He doesn't want to get hurt. AND he didn't plan any further than the shooting. He's a typical radical who doesn't think any further than his own comfort and entitlement. No doubt an atheist but he got to play god in changing these people's lives. He'll cry at some point at the injustice of it all. OH. AND we will get some long manifesto about how he is justified.
     
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    I want to know how he was able to get his hands on all those weapons and no one said anything about it.
     
  20. E_Pluribus_Venom

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    Fine... and rather beside the point. He could've done a number of things that all wouldn't excuse the fact that he was able to obtain firearms legally, which should motivate another look at the process. I'm casual about a potential fix because it's a pretty far-fetched suggestion.
     
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    His record was clean.
     
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    You're absolutely right. I wish I could say otherwise but it is true. There is no absolute path to safety. Even disarming all of America won't be enough for people like this, which is crazy to think about. It makes you wonder what kind of life could raise such a person. I wonder what his childhood was like..
     
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    These are the same *******s who claim the right to own automatic weapons, rpgs and even artillery, and whine about not being able to park a tank in the driveway.
    If the nra got its wish, people like the Aurora killer would be able to murder hundreds at a time with their legal arsenals, and they would still want more.
     
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    There's only so much society can do. Ya can't stop a determined nut. :tears:
     
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    Yes predators like this human debris strike swiftly with deadly force. The ONLY security is a strong defense...a GUN. The best way to preclude these cowards from living out their deadly fantasies is the general knowledge that most folks are ARMED. Unfortunately, the 'ban-guns' crowd does't want citizens to have the protection of a personal firearm. Banning citizenry from having firearms is one of the very first things tyrannical governments do.

    Ballistic armor or not, if this killer-predator had been hit with multiple gun-shots the carnage could have been stopped or at least minimized.
     

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