The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales

Nope.. that sounds swell, but the Jews learned these stories during the Babylonian exile and so invented a history and identity for themselves.

 

Compare the alphabet. http://www.ancientscripts.com/greek.html http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx It's written in Modern Greek.

 

Heh heh ... no .. its not. This would be recognized immediately by experts.

 

Are you really telling us that you are incapable of comparing the samples for yourself?

 

I am no expert in ancient Greek but, I do not need to be. There are plenty - every Greek orthodox priest for example.

Someone would have said something -- no one has.

 

The Bible was edited and compiled. Some of the text not included for various reasons may be found in the Apocrypha. The Bible was canonized before the Koran.

 

No, that was Hillary's server testimony.

 

I hope you realize that the Apocrypha was part of every Bible for about 1,190 years until 1881-1885, when two English guys, Wesscott & Hort, decided to dump it? The Protestants obeyed but the Catholics kept it. http://www.christiandoctrine.com/in...uence-millions&catid=175:the-bible&Itemid=551

https://www.chick.com/reading/books/157/157_08a.asp

http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/westcott_and_hort_exposed.htm

http://westcotthort.com/jmay/deityofChrist.html

http://rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-books-apocrypha-removed-from-the-bible-in-1881/

 

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Isn't that rather like saying the Roman Republic - did not exist because the City of Rome was only a group of 'citizens'.

 

The Epic of Gilgamesh was written in 2100 BC.. NOT 12,000 years ago.. Sheesh. Their whole world was the Euphrates River Basin and that's what flooded.

• Sumer, an ancient civilization of southern Mesopotamia, is believed to be the place where written language was first invented around 3100 BC.
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• Limestone Kish tablet from Sumer with pictographic writing; may be the earliest known writing, 3500 BC.

 

The first 'written' language was when Adam realised what he had done and in anger stamped his foot in the earth. It's the first footnote ever recorded in print.

 

My point is that Sumer had writing by 3100 BC.. so the Epic of Gilgamesh wasn't an oral tradition for 12,000 years.

 

Yes, I understood that. I can actually remember the first book written. It was called 'My life and times' by Adam. Written while in Eden it was a remarkably short book.

 

The epic of Gilgamesh might have been from earlier but there is no evidence suggesting that it dates back anywhere close to 12,000 years ago - agreed.

On a different note - while a well developed writing system is 3500 BC (and obviously at least a bit earlier given the state of writing development of the Kish tablet) there is some interesting finds in relation to early precursors to writing.

I thought I had run across something from the Ubaid period 5000-4100 BC - proceeded the Sumerian culture - but can not seem to locate it.

Thought you might be interested in this crazy find ... 60,000 BC !

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...0000-year-old-eggshells/?full=true&print=true

This is cool as well: http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/writingorigin.htm

More cool stuff : http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/serbiavinca.htm

 

That is interesting.. egg shells. Must be some lost symbolism there.

My point is that the Euphrates River basin periodically experienced violent floods because of rain and spring snowmelt out of the mountains. That's what formed the delta below Basra and ultimately breached the freshwater Persian Gulf into the Indian ocean.

 

The Ubaid Period (5500–4000 B.C.) | Essay | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art ...
www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/ubai/hd_ubai.htm
Characterized by a distinctive type of pottery, this culture originated on the flat alluvial plains of southern Mesopotamia (ancient Iraq) around 6200 B.C. Indeed, it was during this period that the first identifiable villages developed in the region, where people farmed the land using irrigation and fished the rivers ...
The Unanswered Mystery of 7,000-year-old Ubaid Lizardmen | Ancient ...
www.ancient-origins.net/.../unanswered-mystery-7000-year-old-ubaid-lizardmen-001...
Dec 12, 2013 - However, there is an archaeological discovery at the Al Ubaid archaeological site, where many pre-Sumerian 7,000-year-old artefacts were ...

 

For sure - I was drifting off topic - check this out as well http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/serbiavinca.htm

We know that the big ice melt after the last ice age (starting around 12,000 BC) raised sea level something like 200 feet.
I am going by memory so figures may be slightly off. Over the next 6-7 thousand years there were many cities literally submerged.

For obvious reasons (and the same is true today) ideal locations for cities are on the coast. Every culture all over the planet would have had a few major cities submerged ( an we have found a fair number of these cities). This explains why almost every culture has a flood story.

 

Noah's "global" flood was fairly recent.. long after the ice age ... and massive movements of glaciers. .. and it didn't flood Egypt, China, Anatolia or Palestine.

 

Agreed. According to the Bible the flood happened around 2100-2300 BC. 2100 being the most likely date as per Abraham living around the time of Hammurabi (1800 BC). Abraham was roughly 300 years after Noah's Ark made land.

Clearly the idea that there was some global flood anywhere near this time period is abject nonsense.

 

Those lizardmen are cool ! Those tokens - perhaps used for trade or book-keeping of some kind - were what I was thinking of ... thanks for that. Clearly the symbols meant something to the people using them.

 

Does this family member claim there is archaeological evidence for the flood and exodus?

 

What I'm saying is that most of what you think you know is pure BS. We have been fed tons of it by con men selling an alternative reality. That has given us a false image of reality. For instance, a lot of people boast about reading the Bible in Greek but what they are reading is a current revision that was written in the Modern Greek language. They might as well be reading it in Italian or French.

 

Oh, what accuracy are you talking about? that a particular place existed? that a particular person existed? that a particular war happened?

Or are you talking about the debunking of the many historical inaccuracies contained within, like the Pharisees killing Jesus, despite their not rising to power until after the destruction of the second temple?

Are you at all familiar with the actual history of the development of your religion, quite apart from the contents of the bible?

The bible is an archeological artifact, of minimal actual use in archeology. In fact, its been relative bane to the science because back in the day, when Helena et.al. decided where exactly bible stories happened they had NO CLUE, but badly needed sites to be designated, so they did.

I'm happy to discuss any details of archeological and historic significance that is accurately or inaccurately represented in the bible.

 

What did the Septuagint translate from Hebrew into Greek if the Bible was written in the 690's and what were the Jews using if it were not the Tanakh before that.

 

Do you think Uthman's committee wrote the Koran in numbered chapters and numbered verses?

I never denied that some assorted manuscripts existed. What I've said is that the Bible as an unified collection of stories did not exist until the English committee wrote the 75 pound collection in one book in the 690s.