The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales

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  1. Battle3

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    And I can say the same about your posts. But I know you don't read all of my posts, and I don't read all of yours, and since I have put some well researched posts in some discussions, I assume you are also capable of decent posts. But I don't see them.

    But remember, in this thread I posted facts (with one error pertaining to muslims and the virgin birth of Jesus) while you presented absolutely nothing but name calling, so you can get down off your high horse.
     
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    You are correct, I was wrong, the virgin birth of Jesus is accepted in islam.

    The Hadith is a roughly 500 page standard size book, much simpler than the Bible. Try reading it.

    The rest of my examples are correct, my argument still stands. Christianity and islam are mutually exclusive.
     
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    I was wrong about the virgin birth.

    The other I am correct, islam does not believe there is any divine aspect (divinity) to Jesus, muslims believe he is a man and a prophet, not the Son of God, and islam does not believe in the concept of Trinity. As I stated previously.

    And again, Christianity and islam are incompatible, they are mutually exclusive. You have done nothing to disprove that fact.
     
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    That is a subject which actually might be a good thread for an observing Jew to start. The Jewish faith, and the Torah...is confusing to those not in the know.
     
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    There are Christian sects that have the same beliefs about Jesus as Islam has about him. So why are those Christian sects regarded as Christian?
     
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    Christianity is defined by the New Testament, that is the source document. Any group that rejects the fundamentals defined in the New Testament - Jesus was the Son of God, was crucified and resurrected, Jesus paid the price for all sin and offers salvation for any who accept it, salvation through faith not works - is not a Christian organization even if they have the word "Christian" in their title.

    That's not opinion, that's basic fact. If you don't follow the fundamentals of the New Testament then you are not Christian, if you don't follow the fundamentals of the Koran then you are not muslim, etc.
     
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    There are a lot of heretics, one way or the other. https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any...-the-son-of-God-and-or-part-of-the-God-triune
     
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    Seem to have, what, understood physics?

    Does Tom Brady understand physics because he's capable of throwing a football in a parabolic arc accurately?

    Non-revision can be taken as the true word of God? Seems like a pretty low bar to set.

    And while the text hasn't be revised, interpretations sure as hell have.
     
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    Tom whoever has, as is common with most animals, an inbuilt ability to work our non linear complex maths problems on a subconscious level.
    Building structures that line up perfectly with astronomical events or features suggests intelligence at work.
     
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    That sounds like a pretty complicated neurological claim. Have any evidence?

    I didn't say that they weren't intelligent. I'm just saying that they had practically no understanding of the universe.
     
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    Throw a ball to a friend (If you have any), then get them to throw it back.
     
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    So how did they align large structures to astronomical bodies and how did they build them at all without the physics required to do so?
     
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    That ability does not indicate knowledge of physics.

    They put them close, observed the difference, adjust, observed the difference, adjust.

    With more complex structures like those built in Mesopotamia or Egypt mathematics was certainly involved.

    There's no doubt that Mesopotamians and Egyptians knew mathematics.

    You don't need to know physics to have an intuitive understanding of how objects can be shaped and moved.
     
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    Try again.
    No physics, no cranes and not much else concerned with moving heavy objects, and that's before you have to align them correctly.
     
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    The Cliff Notes version of the Torah! ;)
     
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    Two errors since you also fallaciously alleged that Islam does not recognize the divinity of Jesus.

    There were probably even more errors but it wasn't worth wasting time once I had established that you were woefully ignorant of Islam and just regurgitating disinformation.
     
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    You don't get to interpret the Quran to suit your own disinformation agenda. I provided direct quotes proving that Islam does have a divine aspect for Jesus and unless you can prove that those passages are wrong all you have is your bogus disinformation about Islam.

    As far as the differences between Islam and Christianity goes they BOTH share the same fictitious deity and the same origin mythologies which makes them identical except for which prophet they choose to follow.

    When it comes to being incompatible there is a far better case to be made that the fundamentalist evangelical subcult of Christianity is incompatible with the rest of Christianity.
     
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    Why do you assume that they had no cranes?
     
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    The Truth is that life is hard and dangerous.

    The Truth is that there is no virgin birth and no resurrection in the first Gospel - Mark. These was added at least a few decades later by the author of Matt to make the story of Jesus better fit into the Messianic Tradition. The Truth is that the author of Matt engaged in considerable artistic license "pious fraud"

    The Truth is many Christians (especially Fundamentalist Protestants) do not even know the main teachings of Jesus .... never mind follow them.

    The Truth is that Fundamentalists are very close to Islamist's in their ideology - literalist nutters who yearn for OT Law.

    The Truth is that telling some kid that if they "question" or "do not believe", in the tenets of some holy book, that they will be tortured in hell for eternity is a sophisticated mind control technique.

    The Truth is that Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. The will of the Father is "Works" not "Faith".

    The Truth is that you are not interested in "The Truth" and you continually demonstrate this Truth.
     
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    Wrong. Read the posts. Islam does not believe there was any divinity in Jesus, islam believes he was a man.

    But I accept your tacit admission that you failed.
     
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    Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and that he was without sin.
     
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    No, you showed that islam believes Jesus was a man, not divine. Christianity believes Jesus was the Son of God, and believes the Trinity. Islam believes Jesus was a man, and they reject the Trinity as polytheism.

    Again, you fail.
     
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    Oh, the IRONY coming from someone who has no comprehension whatsoever of what they are reading!

    Here it is AGAIN!

    That is the Quran stipulating that god gave jesus the "holy spirit" (AKA divine powers) so that he can heal the sick and resurrect the dead.

    That you don't even understand the terminology that you are using says volumes.

    Try looking up the term "divinity" before you respond.
     
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    Irrelevant to the issue at hand.

    True, Mark 16:9 to the end appears to be a later addition. Nobody knows who added the ending. To claim it was the author of Matthew is totally unfounded.

    Luke starts with Jesus baptism, obviously it does not mention Jesus birth. That does not mean there was no virgin birth.

    Mark does include the resurrection. You better read the Bible.

    Then religion better be taught in school.

    Total BS. Islam and Christianity are incompatible, you cannot be both Christian and muslim. If one is true, then other is by definition false.

    And telling some kid that there is no god and only a "nutter" believes in god is also mind control.

    That's the difference between me and you. You hate the fact that people have the freedom to choose their own beliefs, and you hate people who believe differently from you. I support people choosing for themselves, and I accept their choice.

    Wrong. What is the "will of my Father"? You better go do some reading.

    Again, you show you cannot stand anyone who makes a decision differently than you.
     
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