I think we should mind our own business re: the Abaya.. and have said so at press conferences in Saudi Arabia. Its their culture and tradition ...
Gwen, 100% agreement! Except that its not those women, people should be angry with, but their dominant male world. You certainly showed some strong sentiments for the feminist movement, and standing for equality and justice. But do you really feel untouched when women cross your way, dressed from head to toe even on the hottest day? Don't you feel some sort of unease, when those same women walk 2 metres behind their men? Well, I do. While I do agree that some of these women might feel happy about their life/relationships/religious-spiritual life, I often sense their dutifulness towards their masculine masters. However, maybe we should mind our own business. But hey, when do we start saying no, what must happen for us to stand up and say no? Regards
This year I watched it in Dubai, and just recently in Paris and Berlin. I remember watching it in London some time ago. I have seen it in Perth as well. Interesting that you asked this question, as I was told that the interpretation of the Islam is handled differently in Turkey today as by those Turks, who left their country long ago to find work abroad. Those ones who left long time ago are a good example of a men dominated world, I think. By the way, this observation was backed by a Turkish partner of a friend of mine. You don't even need to travel to the Middle East to witness. Regards
I spent a couple of decades in the Arab world... and I just don't recall seeing women walking behind men.. I noticed it among some Koreans here in the States.
but if you are married to really ugly lady then the burka hides her face so other men cant make fun of her
From my understanding, the burka is for when they are in public. Inside the house they wear normal clothes.
I think the spate of attacks on Muslim women in Australia is showing our own misogyny and racism and regard for women. I don't think it adds up / is right to highlight how they're treated by others in their own culture... while here in Australia we TARGET THEM and they are now the target for verbal and physical abuse by Australians. What does that say for US and how WE treat women? Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/women-bear-brunt-of-islamophobia-20141009-113r9o.html#ixzz3FhGPsSbI Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/doze...unity-fear-20141009-113tmk.html#ixzz3FhGhyGWm
Gwenie, get yourself copies of Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Not Without My Daughter by Petty Marmoody and read them. Especialy Infidel, and read it to the end. The appalling situation that developed in Holland has many parallels with what the PC brigade would have us end up like in Australia.
Not true! Eastern Orthodox, and Coptic do not segregate the women from the men. It is just customary for women to be in the left pews and men on the right. I am not sure where this custom originated but I seem to think it is just an opportunity for the men to socialize with other men while the women do the same with other women. However, there are men who choose to sit in the left pews with the women and there are women who choose to sit with their husband or boyfriend in the right pews. Basically, anyone can choose to sit wherever they like. I am Orthodox.
So why are some Muslim behaving differently when living in the West? I think as they left their countries decades ago their behaviour/attitude is still the same as it hasn't altered over time. In their countries of origin it has altered. That might make sense. Too many things I don't know.... Regards
Gwen, that is a big worry. Our Australian label that everyone deserves a fair go must be downgraded then.... Regards
You told there, no matter if women do prostitution voluntarily or not, they must be protected from the damage they do to themselves. Now you promote the freedom to wear a Burka. That's bizarre. How many muslim women in Australia have been attacked because of this debate?
No and I will never! Cause nobody can force me to. And this discussion is about a burka, not about chador, abaya, a niqab or a scarf. You can tell me as often as you want that muslim women hate daylight ad want to be protected from a clear eye view. I will not believe you.
You have just contradicted yourself, you say you don't do it, then say it is customary to do it. Whether custom, tradition or religious law, this statement from KM's post really says it all. The NATURAL order, hmmmm. The number of atheists is growing daily, and I truly believe it is not because people are becoming disenchanted with God, rather they are waking up to how "religions" are using them in the "name of God".
I have never worn an Abaya either... although I tried once.. It takes some grace and skill to wear it.. I'd likely trip and break my neck. Do you know any Muslim women that you can talk with comfortably over tea or a meal? - - - Updated - - - Do you see Muslims couples in the US where the woman walks behind the man?? I haven't seen that either.
No it is true. I don't usually go to church as I'm not religious at all. I go as a mark of respect to the family and my wife who is quite religious. I have been to churches in Australia, Greece, Cyprus and Russia. There is no requirement as to where males or females sit. my wife usually always sits with me.
It seems to me that customs and traditions are fine as long as they are OUR customs and traditions. It seems to me it is fine that people hold onto their national heritage as long as it is acceptable to us. We have Irish, Scottish, Finish, Russian, Italian, Greek, Croatian etc clubs and associations. But not those we are afraid of, usually through ignorance or because they are different. I personally do not agree with things like the Burka, I also disagree with a lot of Christian rules as well. I believe that the problem is that as humans we are scared of anything different. Historically, I can remember when Australia had a big influx of Italian migrant workers. They came to build the Snowy Mountains Scheme, Lidell and other power stations. I was a teenager at the time, in my small town, businesses put up signs in Italian, hired Italian speaking sales staff etc to accommodate. The racism sprang up. "Itie Go Home" was the catch phrase, they couldn't be trusted, look at them during the war, they carried two flags so they could always be friends with who was attacking, etc. They were vilified and attacked. But time changed, now those that came then are the root of a large number of Australian families. Then came the Vietnamese boat people and so on. The problem here is we are attacking a belief, not the perpetrators. The real perpetrators and the only ones who can fix it are the US, Great Britain and Israel. When you corner an animal it will usually fight, if you corner a man, so will he, if you cornered me, boy oh boy would you have a fight on your hand. We don't really need guns and missiles, rather we need tolerance, respect and commonsense. I do appreciate that sometimes we need to take up arms, which is why I did 6 years military service, but taking up arms is the last resort, it means you have no other choice, you have let it go too far.
If you're not going to 'quote me' then I'm not going to spend time correcting your misrepresentations of what I say on other threads concerning a different subject entirely to the subject of this thread. "There have been at least 30 attacks on Muslims mainly against women wearing the hijab in the three weeks since the police anti-terror raids and threats by Islamic State put relations between the Islamic community and mainstream Australia on edge." Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/doze...unity-fear-20141009-113tmk.html#ixzz3G5eHFoWV
I must be missing something here, or maybe Im just a bit confused....DV states there are many clubs from other cultures...ok fine....but are there any muslim clubs...would that be a way for muslims to assimilate...I think lack of assimilation is a clause which suggests racism...do muslims assimilate...I dont want to go off topic here, however DV has raised the subject of multi-culturalism..as well as stating that as humans we are scared of anything different...well, human nature being what it is, I once (only once) saw two people wearing burkas and the full length gig in a shopping mall and I was bloody scared.... DV also raised the subject of trust...well, can you trust someone you cant see...thats human nature as well... In closing, I will say again, we shouldnt be in Iraq kissing Obamas arse...if the USA wasnt in Iraq, neither would we be...its a civil war no-one can win....and by the way, I disagree with people attacking people wearing the burka... We should all be tolerant and respectful of other human beings...whether we can see them or not....how would you say 'hello" to one of your neighbours in the street if you dont recognize them.....aahh well, recognition I suppose is part of assimilation.... I think if muslims coached netball, little athletics, soccer, became scout and girl guide leaders..maybe even supported Movember next month...I could go on....but really, its just about assimilating.... If we visit a muslim country, we have to conform/assimilate...women have to wear the appropriate head gear We cant do this..we cant do that...we are in another country...we have to conform...but apparently it doesnt work that way in Australia....aahh well...better not say much more...I might be accused of being a racist...
So which country did you visit that required your wife to wear a burka or abaya? I am female and I have NEVER been required to wear one.
