the Crusaders: Heathens or Heros?

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  1. 4Horsemen

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    Let me put you people on the right track. They were Heathens. period.

    After the Edomite Romans successfully sacked Jerusalem and began on their way about doing even more whitewashing and pillaging of the Israelites land and treasures, they needed to make sure that their tactic of changing the image of Yeshua the Christ and forcing the worship of him and not the Most High stuck in the mind of the people. So in order to do that, it had to be forced through War. and yes, the Crrusades wer wars, just mini-wars to force people to focus on the worship of Cesar Borgia as Christ, and NOT the word of the God in the Bible.

    It was a cloaking technique that worked for centuries. until now.

    Because you have to ask yourself, if the people in the land were already following the Bible, WHY were the Crusades even neccessary? Islam wasn't dominating anything. and they damn sure wasn't converting Muslims to Christianity. they was forcing the worship of Cesar Borgia onto the Israelites.

    time to GET EDUCATED!
     
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    The Romans weren't Edomites. The Edomites were Arabs.
     
  3. Vicariously I

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    Don't you get it? The truth of everything only exists in his mind which is why we are all idiots who know nothing because we haven't talk to him until now.

    Sounds like a God complex to me.
     
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    Plus what about the English and French Crusaders?!?!? :)
     
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    Wait, now you are claiming that the Romans are Edomites? I though Edomites lived in caves in the Caucuses until the Renaissance and that Europe was led by black people?

    Changing your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) story already?

    Not sure how the Crusades could have been about making people believe that Cesare Borgia was the image for Christ when Cesare Borgia wasn't born until almost 200 years after the Crusades ended.

    You should start with educating yourself.
     
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    Most Christian soldiers during the Crusaids were rapists, thieves, and murderers who were pardoned for their crimes for agreeing to fight. Others fought because the Pope offered full amnesty for all past and future sins, and automatic entry into heaven upon death for all those who went.

    Others, like the Templars, just wanted to steal all the treasure they could, and kill anyone who was not Christians. Most of the times, the Templars simply rode down Jewish and Muslim pilgrims, killed and robbed them. They did not actually fight in many battles. They killed more civilians than they ever did soldiers.
     
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    It seems to me that the people who hate the Crusaders are ignoring all of the previous muslim terrorism against the people of North Africa and Europe. The Christians took centuries of abuse before finally striking back. Even then it took another 200 years before the Spanish Christians were finally able to expel the muslim invaders from Spain.
     
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    I am not sure why historical accuracy now translates to hate for the Crusaders
     
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    According to Deuteronomy 23:7 the Edomites and Israelites were brothers. http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/racial%20tolerance/dt23_03a.html
     
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    That is the bottom line for me.
     
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    Well thats not strictly true - The Byzantine had been getting pretty badly gouged over the previous 50 years
     
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    While misguided religious fanatics...

    ... dey kicked Mooslamic heiney.
    :wink:
     
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    ...politicised religion, always bad...
     
  14. Questerr

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    For purely secular reasons. The Turks wanted Byzantine land because trying to survive in the steppes of Central Asia with medieval technology is for suckers when there is fantastic farmland just down the way.
     
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    No doubt but from Urbans point of view he had the opportunity for a twofer. If things kept going there would not be any Eastern empire to care about. If there are no more Eastern Christians he cant work to try and correct the schism at the time. So he has the chance to save Christianity in the East and expand his influence at the same time.
     
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    And it gave him a way to get crazy violent (*)(*)(*)(*)heads (aka Knights) out of Europe where they would be killing something besides Christian peasants.
     
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    I sometimes wonder about that - Cleaning out all the Free Companies, combined strength probably not enough to trouble the Arabs. Get the Arabs to do your dirty work. Suddenly all of Christiandom gets in on it and the whole thing spins out of control lol
     
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    Pope at the time of the Crusades:

    <b>"If neither the words of the Scriptures arouse you, nor do our admonitions penetrate your minds, at least let the great suffering of those who desired to go to the holy places stir you up.</b>

    Think of those who made the pilgrimage across the sea!”

    <b>Even if they were more wealthy, consider what taxes, what violence they underwent, since they were forced to make payments and tributes almost every mile, to purchase release at every gate of the city, at the entrance of the churches and temples, at every side journey from place to place:</b> also, if any accusation whatsoever were made against them, they were compelled to purchase their release; but <b>if they refused to pay money,</b> the prefects of the Gentiles, according to their custom, urged them fiercely with blows. What shall we say of those who took up the journey without anything more than trust in their barren poverty, since they seemed to have nothing except their bo
     
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    That's the standard academic interpretation. Urban never intended for the Crusades to be this massive push to retake Jerusalem. He intended for it to be an opportunity to get a few thousand knights to go help the Byzantines.
     
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    Thank you - I must have read that somewhere back in the day. I am not clever enough to have thought that up myself lol
     

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