The Deep History Of US, Britain's Never-Ending Cold War On Russia

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  1. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    Well, when you fight people who are weaker than you (as you have done since WW2), what do you expect? Nobody but you has suggested giving back anything.
     
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    So, we won the wars by too much, or...something? Should we have used less technology when fighting Iraq as well? What about Afghanistan? Should we have rolled up with single shot rifles on camels...or something? Point me to the crime of winning a war too much.
     
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    The Romanovs were related to the Winsors.. Prince Phillip's DNA would bear that out.

    Who pas pressuring the Tzar to make reforms? I thought the animosity was simply because the whole family was murdered by Russians.
     
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    You do not want to talk about Polish sadists. I understand you correctly?

    Solzhenitsyn is a lying scoundrel. He wrote a fantastic story "The Gulag Archipelago," but many of the idiots consider this story to be true.
    For example, Solzhenitsyn writes that in Karelia the prisoners were sentenced to punishment (Did not perform work) and left 150 people to die in the forest. And many frozen to death.... Complete nonsense. Turn on the brain.

    1. What do you mean "left 150 people in the forest."? What, the guards went to spend the night in the barracks? .. So this is the "blue dream" of prisoners! Especially criminal - they would immediately be in the nearest village.
    2. But if the guards stayed, then, of course, she would scatter bonfires for her own heating ... And then such a "movie" is obtained: several bonfires burn in the forest, forming a large circle. And at each circle one and a half hundred huge men with axes and saws in their hands calmly and silently freeze? Freeze to death?... Do you believe that yourself?
    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Another example. Solzhenitsyn wrote an even more stupid allegedly "fact" - "On the Kem-Ukhtinsky tract near the town of Kut in 1929, a company of prisoners, about 100 people were forced to go to a fire for bad work, and they burned down"....Only oligophrenic can believe this.

    1.The fact is that not only wild animals are afraid of fire, but also man. After all, how many cases were, when in a fire people jumped out of the upper floors of the house and crashed to death, just not to burn down alive. And I have to believe that a few guards managed to drive a hundred prisoners into the fire? !!!! .... Yes, the most worthless prisoner, would prefer to be shot, but will not jump into the fire.
    2. Besides. If the escorts, with their five-chargel pistols (because there were no assault rifles at that time), started a game with prisoners in a fire, they would themselves be in the fire. :roflol::roflol::roflol:


    And so his whole novel is a fantasy for oligophrenics. By the way, his novel is not a documentary. Solzhenitsyn himself called him an artistic novel. In other words - the author's fiction. So same as "The Three Musketeers" Alexandre Dumas.... Although ... maybe you are studying the history of France on the novels of Alexandre Dumas.
     
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    Yes. You exterminated them by any means. Including murder, poisoning, infection with diseases and so on .... This is called genocide.
     
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    What wars have you 'won' since WW2? None; Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan-all dismal failures, and in the case of Iraq and Afghanistan, ongoing disasters... I'll concede the mighty Grenada invasion. That was a tough one...
     
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    Philip's DNA is Greek.
     
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    I think Prince Phillip is related to both the Winsors and the Romanovs.

    PHILIP TO QUEEN VICTORIA
    1. Philip's mother was Princess Alice of Battenburg who was born at Windsor Castle. She was congenitally deaf and in 1930 diagnosed with schizophrenia. Princess Alice's husband, mentioned below, was Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark.
    2. Princess Alice's mother was Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine, Philip's maternal grandmother. Princess Victoria was married to Prince Louis of Battenberg.
    3. Princess Victoria of Hesse and by the Rhine was the daughter of Princess Alice of the United Kingdom, Philip's great grandmother.
    4. Princess Alice's mother was Queen Victoria, Philip's great great grandmother.
    Philip and Elizabeth are third cousins through this relationship, Philip descended from Victoria's daughter Alice and Elizabeth from Victoria's son Edward VII.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/queen-elizabeth-ii-and-prince-philip-3530296
     
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    About German prisoners of war .... Do you really think that I will worry about the fascists, who killed 27 million Russians?

    And why are you only concerned about German prisoners of war? There were many different nationalities. Because all Europe was at war against the USSR. Let's call it the fascist European Union.

    Nationality of prisoners of war Total

    The Germans - 2.389560 million people
    The Japanese - 639,635 people
    Hungarians - 513,767 thousand people
    The Romanians - 187.370 thousand people
    The Austrians - 156.682 thousand people
    Czechoslovakia - 69.977 thousand people
    Poles - 60,280 people
    Italians - 48,957 people
    The French - 23,136 thousand people
    Yugoslavia - 21,822 people
    Moldovans - 14,129 thousand people
    Chinese - 12.928 thousand people
    Jews - 10.173 thousand people
    Koreans - 7.785 thousand people
    The Dutch - 4,729 people
    Mongolians - 3,608 thousand people
    Finns - 2,377 thousand people
    Belgians - 2.010 thousand people
    Luxembourgers - 652 people
    Danes - 457 people
    The Spaniards - 452 people (according to other sources, 350 Spaniards were taken to Soviet captivity - 94 died, the rest returned home in 1954)
    Gypsies - 383 people
    Norwegians - 101 people
    Swedes - 72 people

    German prisoners of war in the USSR. A photo.

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    You probably expected to see how "bloody Stalin" personally eats babies of the Third Reich?
     
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    If you think we lost in Iraq, that makes ONE person on THIS planet.
     
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    We did lose in Iraq......
     
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    No, fighting wars is not genocide. We didn't even start all of the wars with the Natives. But, since you say we wiped them all out, I guess the Washington Redskins can stop worrying over that team name.
     
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    By what standard? We defeated the entire army, and left the country on our own terms, after over seeing a new government installed. We factually won wars against Iraq TWICE.
     
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    We lost a lot of people in Iraq, maimed many others, spent 13 years and a trillion dollars.. The new government we installed caused the unification of Al Qaeda and ISIS. What did we win exactly?
     
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    What was won when Germany was defeated after WWI? Victory in battle doesn't ensure peace for eternity. Just because the Iraq war was stupid and it's people are unhinged barbarians, doesn't mean we didn't win the war.
     
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    I'm afriad it'll take more than a URL mate.

    The UK was in touch with the Nazi's right throughout WW2 just like we were always in touch with the IRA during the 60's and 70's - Its nothing new.
    While Russia has always been Americans cartoon bad guy, its very different for the UK.

    Its quite a good conspiracy theory but thats all it is.
     
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    We were not the aggressors in WW2. The invasion of Iraq was unnecessary

    Unhinged barbarians, huh? You've never been to Iraq, have you?
     
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    Iraq was a stunningly easy victory.

    Moaners will moan and claim defeat in victory. The same is true in all wars.

    The goal was to ensure Saddam could no longer present a threat of invasion to our allies, he no longer does. 100% success.
     
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    Iraq was crippled by two decades of war and sanctions. Saddam was no threat to anyone.

    You might want to read the history of the British in Iraq.. They took Baghdad in a matter of weeks.. and then the wheels came off and they were bogged down for years.

    Arthur Harris of Dresden bombing fame bombed thousands of Arabs and Kurds with gas on the recommendation of Winston Churchill.
     
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    I'm aware of the history.

    Saddam was a clear and present threat.
    He had not declared defeat. He sold his defeat in Kuwait to his people as a victory.

    We maintained an invasion force on his borders for decades, regularly mounted bombing campaigns and applied sanction against him because he was a threat. Not because he was "no threat".
    Sorry but your position is quite ridiculous.

    He had the largest army in theatre bar ours.

    Yes, he was contained by our war against him. They could have kept the war ongoing forever. Permanent containment.
    Instead they invaded and settled it.


    After WW1, Germany was not invaded. The cost was deemed too high.
    And so they were emboldened to try again. They had not learnt their lesson.

    Come WW2, no one was willing to end that war on Germany's borders any more.
    Iraq had not only to be defeated, but to feel defeated. To accept defeat.
    They had not done so.

    Now they have.
     
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    Of course they had accepted defeat ... they were just concerned about appearing toothless to Iran.

    Anyway, well done.. Now Iran is ascendant and we have ISIS.
     
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    More Soviet propaganda. Read https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PM8I1G0/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 for an idea of the brutality of the Russians. See the pictures of the women raped to death.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...views-Russian-soldiers-finally-light-day.html

    And that was just Stalingrad prisoners. But, you reap what you sow and the Germans brought this onto themselves. The real crime was the genocide against ethnic Germans throughout the USSR and eastern Europe.
     
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    ISIS is getting the **** kicked out of it daily. Another war we are going to win and win easily.

    I have no particular problem with Iran. They seem like decent people to me.

    The people of Iraq had not accepted defeat. They played their defeat as an epic victory domestically. You may have accepted their defeat. But they had not.

    Now that they have, you don't.

    By what standards do you think Iraq won the war?
    Ridiculous. The place got devastated.
     
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    They are decent people, but their leadership is crazy.
     
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    All leadership is.

    It attracts the very worst of us.
     

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