The Disease That Isn’t

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  1. yguy

    yguy Well-Known Member

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    If that's the case, he's not addicted.
     
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    People who say they want to quit smoking and they aren't making any strides don't really want to quit.

    He is being honest and saying that he likes smoking. The benefits outweigh the drawbacks to him.
     
  3. alan

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    I enjoy smoking.

    Besides, somebody as to pay for SCHIP for the children.
     
  4. alan

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    I might still be addicted, but that doesn't make it a disease.
     
  5. yguy

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    Then you also enjoy being addicted. Right?
     
  6. alan

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    Coming off of it was brutal. I'm not sure why I (and some of my friends) was (were) successful at breaking it and others are not.
    It's been over 20 years now, and I won't touch any type of speed because I know that drugs like that will hook me quickly. (well that, and work does random drug tests and I get paid way too much to risk losing my salary over illegal drug use)
     
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    What point are you trying to make? I'm sure there is something you do everyday like drink coffee.
     
  8. alan

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    Are you going someplace with this?
     
  9. yguy

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    If you want to find out, you'll have to answer the question straight up. Do you enjoy being addicted, yes or no?
     
  10. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    CFS does exist though. It is not an addiction, it's an illness. Something about inflammation in the brain, or something.
     
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    He doesn't know what he is talking about. My mother has CFS along with fibromyalgia. I was just recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia. My mother has been unable to work for years now. It was a very sad thing to watch growing up. She was a great teacher and she would give anything if she could teach again.

    It has to do with the brains inability to produce chemicals properly. You ever get a head rush when you stand up suddenly? Well that is an adrenaline rush. CFS and fibromyalgia patients produce insane amounts of adrenaline while doing just miniscule tasks. Adrenaline take a ton of energy to produce, CFS patients keep producing adrenaline and eventually the body just gives out and wants to rest.

    I've witnessed it happen to her plenty of times. We will be on a trip somewhere and then out of no where she will get tired. It's made it hard for her to be on a daily schedule. She gets tired, takes a nap, and it screws up her sleeping schedule. Doctors appts are hard to schedule because she never knows how she will feel. Even the smallest things like dinner plans with a friend are hard because she never knows if it will flare up.

    It's really hard to explain to someone if they haven't been around it. You might see her one day, when she is having a good day, and think she's fine. I'm guessing that is where Roy is getting his impression from. He doesn't see all the other things that go on at home. It's not something she can help, I'll go toe to toe if he wants to argue that.

    In fact it's quite the contrary to what he said. For years many medical field researchers looked at CFS and fibromyalgia as a mental problem. Recently over the past 20 years or so, doctors have done research and determined it definitely isn't a mental problem.
     
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    Gosh, that is so sad to hear. I really hope she recovers from this awful illness someday.
    I have heard that some people can go to bed and wake up days later. Some people even write a note of what day it is when they go to sleep so they know how much time has passed.

    It makes me angry when people assume that CFS is all 'in the head' or is simply someone being lazy. It isn't. I don't have it, I don't know anyone with it, but there is no way that anyone would pretend to be tired for months, even years on end.

    Hopefully one day, they find a cure.
     
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    "Much of the controversy surrounding ME/CFS stems from the lack of objective diagnostic tests, which leads some people to believe that nothing is physically wrong with people who have the condition. It also can lead to misdiagnoses. A reliable, widely accepted diagnostic test would validate the illness, reduce misdiagnoses, and possibly make it easier for people with ME/CFS to get special accommodations at work and qualify for Social Security disability insurance."
    http://chronicfatigue.about.com/b/2009/01/24/diagnostic-test-for-chronic-fatigue-syndrome.htm
    http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/c/chronic_fatigue_syndrome/tests.htm

    " The cause or causes of CFS have not been identified and no specific diagnostic tests are available. Moreover, since many illnesses have incapacitating fatigue as a symptom, care must be taken to exclude other known and often treatable conditions before a diagnosis of CFS is made."
    http://www.medicinenet.com/chronic_fatigue_syndrome/article.htm

    "Since there is no definitive test that can tell whether or not a person may have it, there are some common symptoms associated with CFS such as extreme tiredness, weakness, drowsiness, depression, anxiety, appetite loss, mood swings, body aches, constant headaches, memory loss, and confusion. Compiling these symptoms along with blood work can be an indicator that a person may have the condition."
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-Test&id=5463504

    I assume you noted that one of the reasons a test for this is desperately needed is to "make it easier for people with ME/CFS to get special accommodations at work and qualify for Social Security disability insurance."
     
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    Many medical conditions don't have a test. Why should CFS? If they can develop one than good for them, but there are plenty of other conditions that don't have a test.
     
  15. alan

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    I guess I'll pass. I'm really not that interested.
     
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    Good call.:)
     
  17. BleedingHeadKen

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    I enjoyed smoking. I still do on rare occasions. I certainly don't enjoy the nicotene addiction. If there was a simple pill for curing addiction, I'd smoke much more often, but not regularly.
     
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    And besides, there's no telling what answering that question will cost you, right? ;)
     
  19. Darth Desolas

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    Or hell, maybe one of the reasons they want a diagnostic test is that the first step to a cure is finding a consistent reason that can describe why it occurs and how to test for it.

    But y'know, wouldn't want you to think there was a reasonable and logical point behind diagnostic testing or anything.
     
  20. PatrickT

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    Another reason for having a diagnostic test is to establish the the problem does in fact exist. Some doing research have admitted one of the motivations of finding a diagnostic test is to help people get money from the government. But, y'know, I wouldn't want you to think I didn't notice your snotty and irrlevant response.
     
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    It was relevant and a reasonable response to the assertion made. Concocting a conspiracy theory behind the existence of a medical condition however, is not. Unless you have evidence that there is such a conspiracy of those suffering such problems?

    Your incredulity is not enough btw.
     
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    An addiction begins with a behavior but ultimately is a very physical thing. Severe Alcholics can die if they try to go dry without medical help. When I quit smoking I went through 40 days of the deepest depression you could imagine...the brain changes with nicotine and some people go through depression (about 20% of smokers who try to quit).

    So addiction is a mental and physical issue...not just behavior. I quit the smoking but take nicotine supplements. Hopefully I will get off those in time.
     
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    easy for you to say--you're no the one who has the gene. if you did, you wouldn't be saying that.
     
  24. godisnotreal

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    how do you know? do you have a genetic predisposition to alcohol? if not, you have ZERO right to criticize anyone.
     
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    i disagree. different people have differing abilities to abstain from addiction, and this is simply something that you're born with. I'm 5'10", 150 lbs and I eat whatever, whenever I want. The guy next to me might be 5'8" 250lbs, and he's tried every single diet known to man, without success. Is that fair? No. The fat guy simply has an addiction to food. It's an addiction that he was born with. It is also an addiction that I'm lucky enough not to have. If I were born with this addiction, I would be fat as hell too (because I currently eat whatever I want with impunity).
     

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