The Euro - Designed to fail?

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  1. Jack Napier

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    Not so long ago, the like of France, Spain, Italy, Germany, and many more, all had their own individual currencies.

    Then along came the Euro, and removed all of that.

    The Euro was more than a currency. It was a brand. A brand that heralded a new age that was moving toward more centralisation of power, and thus, power being in the hands of fewer numbers of people.

    Like all brands, the Euro has served it's purpose, if it's purpose was to bring all those that signed into it, under more central control.

    And now you see it failing.

    Why is it failing? Maybe it was designed to play it's part, then 'fail'?

    Because you can bet that the given answer to the 'failing Euro' will be....even more centralisation, into even fewer hands.

    The Euro was not the end game. It, imo, is just a step in the way to a World currency, with a Central World Bank. I think that is the end game, and brands like the Euro, they are just logical steps to getting there.

    And, in keeping with technology, I would imagine the end game is not merely a World currency, and a World Bank, but to make that currency almost exclusively electronic.

    Now, to the naive, this may actually sound nice and neat.

    One currency - less 'hassle'?

    Electronic? - Hey, don't we already make millions of online payments?

    One World Bank - What is the threat there?

    I would propose to you that it would be a grotesque destination for all of mankind, and it would enslave us, more so than any other has tried to enslave any other.

    Even today, while more and more of our domestic freedoms are being eroded, under a false pretext, that same old pattern of many of the victims of it actually welcoming being abused, is evident.

    Many sit and wonder how an increasing number of very questionable foreign policies are being inacted, and how the masses can sit passively, no matter the fact that what they are seeing should insult them as human beings.

    The answer to their passivety, is that they know they are slaves.

    They have literally been taught by the elites, over generations now, that this is the way it is, and there is 'nothing' they can do about it.

    That what happens is almost outwith the control of each man.

    And many have gradually accepted that. When you accept that, you literally become a slave, and a slave is eventually passive to the harshest of conditions.
     
  2. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    I think your theory is very likely to be true.

    It just surprises me that people like janpor support it despite all of the evidence pointing to its ulterior motives.
     
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    Forget it, Euro will never fail, probably some weak countries from PIIGS-Club get kicked out.
     
  4. Jack Napier

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    Which is all fine.

    Save for the fact that it is, of course.
     
  5. Jack Napier

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    Questions;

    Do you ever have feelings that you are 'helpless' to do anything about orchestrated injustice?

    Would you agree that worldwide, there are likely millions at home, sharing that same thought?

    Do you agree that if they shared it together, suddenly, they would be less helpless?

    Who taught you these feelings that there are 'some things' that 'cannot' change? Where do you think you learned that?
     
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    I think, when people really sit down and analyze the facts before them, they tend to distrust the elites.

    However, complacency is largely the result of what we have to do to stay afloat financially in our personal lives.

    When most of us are occupied with raising children and advancing our careers (or just maintaining our current job), that leaves little time to investigate political matters.
     
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    Did you say world currency and more centralized power!? Elitists everywhere just blushed.
     
  8. Jack Napier

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    While I appreciate that, there must always be time to consider and to self educate.

    Failure to do so is to fail yourself, more than anyone else.

    I think people cite the reason of lack of time, yet remain unconvinced that this is true.

    You will find they have time to fill up their brain reading up about crap like Reikki or Angels, time that could be just as easy spent informing themselves.
     
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    I don't think the global elites wanted the euro to fail, since that would be a set back for their transnationalist agenda. I'm thinking a stable euro riding out such a turbulent economic period, would be more useful to encourage a one world currency, compared to the euro breaking apart once it hits a bump in the road.

    Like the old saying goes, you catch more flys with honey than vinegar.
     
  10. akphidelt2007

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    There will never be a global currency for this exact reason. The Euro inhibits countries abilities to handle their own market failures. They are reserve constrained (similar to countries who use the gold standard). The United States is not reserve constrained... it's debts are created and paid for in it's own made up currency.

    Basically European countries are similar to US States
     
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    There will be one, or an attempt at one, if that is what elites, trust me.

    And my suspicion would be to make it, not a paper or coin based one, but an electronic one.
     
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    It would turn out exactly like the Euro. Countries would go in depressions and then opt out of the global currency to start their own currencies again to represent their own labor and control their own monetary systems.

    We will never see a global currency in our lifetime. The Euro has proven to anyone in Government that a global currency would be an epic failure.
     
  13. Jack Napier

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    You miss my point.

    It is my assertion that the Euro was designed NOT to succeed, as a pre text for a global currency.

    Gov's don't control the World.

    Nor do the people.

    Who do you think that leaves?
     
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    But the Euro not succeeding is a clear indication that a global currency would not succeed either. I think you are drawing the wrong conclusions.
     
  15. Jack Napier

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    No, you still are not grasping it.

    The benefits to them of the OWC will be the success in itself.

    By having a one world currency, you put power into the hands of the fewer, and make them even richer, even more able to manipulate matters outwith the democractic process.

    It would not be about this OWC being strong for a period, then not so strong for another period, it would be it's absolute unification and dominion that would be it's success.

    And the last thing they want are currencies evolving which do not have their authority, they want less currencies, leading to one, not more, leading to less dependency on them.

    That was part of the reason why, after 40yrs, Gadaffi was kiled this year.

    He planned to launch the Gold Diner.

    Those that strive for the OWC did not want this.

    These people are really dangerous.
     
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    The Euro is a fiat currency, all fiat currencies fail... without exception.
     
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    This is just conspiracy nut case talk. There is not going to be a global currency any time in our lifetime or our kids lifetime. It is infeasible and disastrous.
     
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    Lol, that is basically the world's attempt at competing against the dollar and getting rid of the dollar as the reserve currency. The only way they can get rid of the dollar is if they combine all their resources in to a join global currency. This has nothing to do with the US and there is absolutely no legitimacy to a world currency.
     
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    I think that is an unfair way to address someone, that has not been unfair to you.

    To equate my thoughts with those of a 'nut case', doesn't really help the debate does it, because what it does, in practice, is states that you are right, and if someone takes a polar opposite view to that which you offer, they are the nut case.

    Hmmm.
     
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    It was not so many years ago, no one in Europe would have seen the elimination of the Deutchmark, the Franc, the Lira, etc etc, but guess what it happened, it became one currency.

    I fail to see how you cannot conceive of their being benefactors to taking the oneness(sic), one more stage on.

    Globalistation and the power of the corporations themselves, they demand that it is. Today, there are a thousand views, subtle and not so subtle attempts, of a thousand different organisations who want to know your buying habits, spare time interests, income, age, gender, and so on. That information is like manna for them. It follows that they would like more ways to find out more information about us, that is logical, they are not going to want to find out LESS than they presently do, and they are not going to remain stagnant, so...

    And there is no better way to find out lots of information about someone, than to use an electronic currency, not as a matter of choice, but as a matter of course.

    Look, I am old enough to recall you worked all week, then got paid your wages. They were in cash. You still paid tax etc, but you got cash.

    Now, not only do I think we no longer have the right to REFUSE to be paid via a bank, but in so many other instances, you are punished if you do not have a bank account.

    Isn't that somewhat unethical, almost taking away a person's choice not to use a bank to be paid, or literally making life impossible for them, to not have an account?

    Doesn't that say anything, to anyone?


    Jack
     
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    It's a necessity because it creates a paper trail. If an employer pays you in cash there is no way the Govt knows how much income or wages you are making unless the employee reports it... and then you can simply say the employer didn't pay you and people would run in to all sorts of complications.

    The only people who pay in cash these days are criminals.
     
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    Uh huh.

    So, as I have said, a 'coalition' between big banks and big Gov MADE it so that anyone who dare not use the official banking system, be deemed a potential criminal.

    What does that tell you?

    It tells that that people should not be obligated to be paid ONLY if they use this system.

    It tells me that the force able to yield such a thing, would not stand still, in it's desire for more info, more data, and more ways of tracking your habits.

    You have simply become passive to that.
     
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    If you are taking money from under the table and not paying your taxes, you are a criminal. Don't be a freeloader!!
     
  25. Serfin' USA

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    No argument here.
     

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