The Heart of the 2nd Amendment

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  1. TOG 6

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    Why do you make statements you know are not true?
     
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    Another statement you know is not true.
    Why do you keep doing this?
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Ah - the ad hom. Final refuge of someone who has run out of talking points.

    Let us know when you manage to repeal the 2nd -- until then, your opinion means nothing.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You may not believe we have a well regulated militia, but we still have the right to keep and bear arms as an uninfringed right.
     
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    it is, subject to the police power.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which is higher law? Police power as you say or the constitution?
     
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    free speech is about political speech.

    And, our Second Amendment is about what is Necessary to the security of a free State not individual rights.
     
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    what State are you from?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you will read Federalist 46, the paper by a founder makes it clear what the second amendment is about and why.
     
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    Not by anything in the Constitution. Again...Scalia in Heller decoupled gun rights from the Militia clause in the 2A
     
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    The Federalist papers are opinions used to try and get states to ratify.
     
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    Thanks for your help. As he says, the founders ran articles in the press telling the public what was meant by the constitution. The second amendment put the states local citizens in charge of their arms, ergo their right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. 46 nailed it down clearly.
     
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    That is correct. My explanations are just like that too. Read Federalist 46 a few times.
     
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    You are fully aware that you opinion has no basis in fact.
     
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    Ya mean other than the fact that it's accurate of course.

    Scalia did exactly that
     
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    Same thing in our federal Constitution. Only well regulated militia are exempt from civil gun control laws while being Necessary to the security of a free State, not the unorganized militia.
     
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    That becomes debatable but the unorganized militia is ONLY males under 45...so the 2A protection there is pretty limited if it exists at all
     
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    No, it isn't. The People are the Militia.
     
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    Be fun had you supported that remark someplace in the 2nd amendment. Trouble is, how can you include not to be infringed with what you said?
     
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    The PURPOSE'S of free speech are to protect life. To do that unalienable rights must be protected and of course politics are included. The 2nd Amendment is the same. There are no limits applied in our written laws, in fact, the limits are removed by the 9th Amendment.
     
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    As you know, none of this is relevant when discussing 2nd and the protections it affords to the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
     
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    Utter nonsense!

    Hate speech that incites violence is NOT protected under the 1st Amendment and neither are libel and slander.

    The right to vote is denied to those who have committed felonies.

    The right to have firearms is denied to those who commit domestic violence.

    The right to privacy does not exist if you are talking to someone overseas.

    So you are wrong that there "are no limits applied to our written laws".
     
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    i don't appeal to ignorance of the composition of the militia; because, that would be activism.
     
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    You have the right to petition for redress of grievances.
     

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