The Heart of the 2nd Amendment

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  1. TOG 6

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    Yawn.

    Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment . We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997) , and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001) , the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html
     
  2. TOG 6

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    The same as a law-abiding woman and a prostitute, before the first trick is turned.
     
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    There ya go, the old leftist moving the goal post maneuver :)

    You do see why some might view your posts as ridiculous, right ;)
     
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    The difference is that prostitution doesn’t kill innocent people.
     
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    So you agree that, or at least can't disprove that, the the constitution contains no language giving the union any power to prevent the people of the several states from acquiring, keeping, or bearing any type of weapon.
     
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    You know this statement is false, and yet you choose to make it.
     
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    The quote from the post that you jumped on that I was originally quoting said “any weapon”.

    If you aren’t going to defend that standard, then feel free to **** off. Adults are trying to debate actual words someone used.
     
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    Irrelevant to your argument.
    In the US, we do not restrict the exercise of rights because someone might break the law.
     
  9. danielpalos

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    you had nothing more than an unsubstantiated opinion. are you unwilling to substantiate, your previously unsubstantiated opinion?
     
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    Why do you continue to make statements you know are false?
     
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    I certainly agree that the Constitution is a document open to interpretation.
     
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    my reply dear, is why does the right wing whine about taxes, but not our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror? we have, police.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Sure we do. Which is why my freedom of movement is blocked from simply walking into the West Wing or on to a nuclear missile sub with no restrictions.
     
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    And which bit of language in the constitution can be interpreted to give the union power to create laws preventing the people of the several states from acquiring, keeping, or bearing any type of weapon?
     
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    True...evil people kill innocent people. Been that way since the beginning of time.
     
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    lol. like what? our Second Amendment specifically declares what is necessary to the security of a free State, not natural rights.
     
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    The part where it doesn’t define “arms” or “keep and bear” and leaves definition of those terms up to Congress and the courts.
     
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    Only evil people kill innocent people?

    You want to go down the rabbit hole of what that claim implies?
     
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    On the surface, not a thing! But at the end of the day, one was a murderer. So how would you like to be perceived as? Is that your ultimate goal to be treated as if you were a murderer and just because regulate what your keepers in Washington say you should have and not have because you might be something your not :)

    Well that the sort of a Childs life I grew out of long ago :)
     
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    Our Second Amendment. Well regulated militia of the whole and entire People are declared Necessary to the security of a free State, not the unorganized militia of the whole and entire People.
     
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    I'm unfamiliar with that part of article I, section 8. Can you please provide the text giving congress legislative power to create a law preventing the people of the several states from acquiring, keeping, or bearing any type of weapon?
     
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    Unfortunately the Constitution means whatever 5 unelected lawyers say it means

    Thats why we need to prevent liberals from ever gaining a majority on the court

    And that includes no more RINO like stevens
     
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    And now yer mad because you can't make a valid point, then again it's a childish response!
     
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    Article 1 Section 8 describes the "Well Regulated Militia" and also describes its duties.
    The 2A gives the "right to bear arms" within the context of the "Well Regulated Militia"

    The framers knew what was in the document they were writing
     
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    I certainly agree that our Founding Fathers did an Most Excellent job at the convention with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land; there is no Thing, ambiguous about it.
     

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