assuming that ALL Palestinians are security risk, regardless of their criminal past, is RACISM!!!!!!!!! its like banning all Israelis from entering the USA, because of the Lavon Affair. there is no Jordanian law that says if their army occupies land, and some of the land is unsure who the owner is, the land can be used by the state. NO SUCH LAW!!!!!
Isreal is not banning all of the Arabs in the West Bank to enter Israel, there are Arabs that can enter with their Israeli citizenship, or even to work in Israei facilities. I have personal exampe, I used to work with an Arab from Ramallah in Israel. He had all of the documents that would allow him to work in Isreal, he also invited me once to his home in the West Bank. Where are your evidence? because if you have none, you cant reject it!
and yet, it is ILLEGAL for an Israeli to marry a Palestinian, and bring his or her spouse to Israel. This is for "security", but its really 100% racism!!!! where is your evidence that Jordan has a law allowing its army to confiscate occupied land and use it for public purposes, if the owner of the land hasn't been decided??? all you have is lots of talk, but you provide no proof. and when you try to provide proof, your stuff actually debunks your own claims. like yesterday when you said that the British law allows the state to seize land in occupied territory if the owner of the land isn't decided, when the law is only talking about money and supplies.
Israeli can marry a "Palestinian". people done it and they will continue to done it. If Israel doesnt allow to some Arabs from the West Bank to enter Isreal it isnt recism, if it was recism so I wouldnt work with an Arab from Ramallah, and Arabs from Gaza didnt work in Kerem Shalom cross etc. The reality is debunking your claim. Judgment A'ariib said so. The Chif of the Supreme Court, Meir Shamgar, that exmined this judgment said about it (=Order number 59): He continue and say:
banning all Palestinian spouses from coming to Israel, without even caring if they have committed any crimes or belong to Hamas, is racism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - - - Updated - - - says nothing about land. your pathetic attempt is way too vague. now, show us the Jordanian law that says if the Jordanian army is an Occupying Power, they can use private land for public good if the owner of the land is in dispute.
Israel takes preventive measures to secure it's civilans's security, thus, the UN allows it. Real Estate Property- do you know what that means? If a man nowadays buy land in a to build there his house, he must to register it in the Land Registry, thus, the land that this man bought, it is his own property, therefore, the order number 59 (= Judgment A'ariib), refers to lands. you have lack of knowladge about the buissnes of real estate. - - - Updated - - - I'm saying that Jews bought lands in the West Bank, and according to the international law, the PLO must return those lands to their owners. Simple.
Nazi Germany restricted which jobs Jews could have, where Jews could go, what Jews could own, who Jews could spend time with, in order to protect their society and security. this isn't about real estate. This is about Israel stealing land. Even the Israeli govt. has accused Israel of land-theft. first Israel must return all the private Arab land they stole to make settlements. after Israel returns every square inch, then the PLO should start returning land.
Does Israel ristrict Arabs of ehich jobs they could have? no! the evidence is the Arab ministers. Does Israel ristrict Arabs where to go? no, Arab can go whereever they like inside of Isreal, and in the West Bank the Arabs can go where ever they pleased in Area B and A. According to Oslo which been agreed on both sides. Does Israel restrict what Arabs could own? no, Arabs can buy lands in the West Bank, and inside of Israel they can live where ever the pleased. Does Israeal rstrict with who the Arabs could be with? no, Arabs got married not once or twice with Israeli citizen. So you say when a person buy land is not real estate? really? another evidence that you dont have any clue about the buissnes of real estate. I provided you planty of evidences, on which years the lands were bought, from who, what was established there, and yet you are ignoring that and calling the PLO liars. The PLO agrees with me in their report from September 2008. Israel governemnt didnt accused themselves on anything!! the information that been provided to Peace Now is a generalize information about the private lands in the West Bank, therefore, there isnt any solid evidence in their report which land belong to whom. first Israel must return all the private Arab land they stole to make settlements. Thats not what the PLO says! The PLO says that they need to return the lands that own by Jews to them regardless if Israel will do the same, as they said. This is according to theinternational law. BTW- Israel evecuating Jewish settlements to give them to Arabsthat proven those lands belong to them, fortheremore they even gave the Arabs state lands because the separetion barrier was built on Arab land in some points of the barrier. - - - Updated - - - Yes, they did, I already showed that in this thread.
Where are your evidences that show what I said is rubbish? The Romans didnt burned 93 million children!! The Talmud was written that the Romans killed 400 children fron Beitar, and when they wrote about the "400 synagogues" was to empower the murder. BTW- in The Talmud was written that one rebbi disvorered all of the children's heads smashed on a rock, you are distorting the writing text of the Talmud. I suggest you to go learn it, or at least read it with a person that studied it.
so more than 50% of the West Bank is off-limits to Arabs? how nice. Sounds like the Warsaw Ghetto. until 2005, no Arab could buy JNF land. That's 13% of the entire State of Israel. That means for the first 57 years of Israel's existence, the JNF was allowed to discriminate in land sales against non-Jews even if they were citizens. Israel says its illegal for an Israeli to marry a Palestinian, and bring the Palestinian to Israel. Even if that Palestinian has committed no crimes and is a member of no illegal organizations. That is illegal racism. http://www.haaretz.com/news/court-case-reveals-how-settlers-illegally-grab-west-bank-lands-1.241487#! The land takeover - which the Civil Administration calls "theft" - has occured in an orderly manner, without any official authorization. Kedumim residents who testified before the board said that the Palestinian have no problem reaching their lands. However, a visit to the area reveals a different picture: The guard at Mitzpe Yishai announced that "it is forbidden to allow Arabs in" to the lands abutting the neighborhood. After the Palestinians approached their property on foot, an army patrol arrived and moved them off. When the commander was told they have Civil Administration documents proving they own the land, the commander replied: "Documents don't interest me." Kedumim's former security chief, Michael Bar-Neder, testified that the land "allocation" was followed by an effort to expand the settlement. Bar-Neder said that once the settlers seized the lands, an application would be made to the military commander to declare them state-owned, since under the law covering the West Bank, anyone who does not cultivate his land for three years forfeits ownership of it. the proof here is: many of the settlers, are thieves!!!!
It is not like the Warsaw Ghetto, because of the simple fact that it was agreed and didnt been forced on the Arabs to live there, like the Jews were forced to be in Ghettos. This is been agreed between Arafat and Israel, which in the future in those areas will be the Arab country, therefore you cant compare between Ghettos and Area B and A. Arabs can buy fron Jews properties in Israel and live there, this is not descrimination. Where are this law you are talking about? give proofs. Secondly, Israelies can marry a "Palestinians". it have been done already and will continue to. That is a problem, which occour regarding the Jews too, Jews have documants of owning lands in the West Bank, and yet Arabs of Hebron, for example, dont allow Jews in, where is your condemination about that? And what Ben Nadar said is debunking your claim, how? simple. He said that : Which means that probably those Arabs that had documents of ownership didnt cultivate their land for three years, therefore they lost they ownership on the land.
they couldn't cultivate their land because the settler gestapo police wouldn't let them go to their land. - - - Updated - - - first you again and again defend the law for "security reasons", and now you demand proof that the law is even real??????????? lol!!!!
Because 3 years before that they didnt come to cultivate their land, therefore, the land the been theirs are not longer theirs and it is the state land, accoridng to law which is covering the West Bank. You said: Which means that there is Isreali law that makes it illegal, please provide evidence for that and stop distorting what I say. And if you dont have, it means that Israel didnt make it illegal.
they tried to cultivate their land, but the Gestapo settler police wouldn't let them enter it. why did you repeately defend a law that you didn't even know was real?????????? of course you know its real, as you said it was for security reasons. so stop playing childish games!!!!
They tried to cultibate their land after 3 years which they didnt do it, which means that accoridng to the law that is covering the West Bank, those land are state land. This part was written in the article you gave me, you even qouted and bolded it. I said that according to the UN's report from September 2012, the UN said there that Israel can do actions that would apply to it's security needs, according to the international law, which means that if Israel want to not allow some "Palestinians" to enter Israel that they couldnt hurt any Israeli civilian, so it is ok by interntaion law, says the UN. BUT you said that Israel illegaly not leting the Arabs in the West Bank to marry Israeli citizens. When you say "illegaly" it means there's a law for it, so I'm asking you for the second time, please provide me proof for this "Israeli law" you say it exists. Stop distorting what I say and start providing proof to this "Israeli law", that you say is exist. If you are not providing, which meanwhile didnt happen. proof to this "Isreali law", it means that it isnt exist.
the Israeli gestapo illegally prevented the rightful owners from getting to their land for 3 years. after 3 years, the land was taken from them. you think this is just? this is why Israel suffers terrorist attacks, because they steal from innocent people.
that's not what I said!!!!!!! don't put words in my mouth!!!!!! Im not some Palestinian farmer that you can point a gun at and make him do what you demand!!!! I said, that Israel has a law banning Israelis from bringing their Palestinian spouses to come live with them in Israel. and here's the article: http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...tinians-living-with-israeli-spouses-1.406812#!
In the article is written: Which means that for the last 10 years there were no one to re-claim it from the Arab population, so according to the law which is covering the West Bank, anyone who does not cultivate his land for 3 years cannot re-claim them and they become state lands. So, as you can see. the Arans had at least 10 years to re-claim that land, but didnt do it, so according to the law which is covering the West Bank they cant back after 12 years and re-claim it. According to the law which covering the West Bank, a person cant re-claim their land after 3 years, Happy to see you are agreeing with me. You said: But oviousley the article you privided me debunk this claim of "Isreal doesnt letting Israeli and Arab to marry". In this article say this: Which means if this is a security threat, because in 1993 it was popular among the Arabs to bomb themselves and killed alot of civilians, which means that the Supreme Court even took that in consideration, thus, it is axactlly what the UN said in their report from 2012. Even in 2002, it was an highly-explosive year from the security esspact, which is just rainforcing what I said.
haaa!!!!!! you sir are guilty of cherry-picking, and its pretty damn dishonest. and pretty damn funny when you do it soo clearly. - - - Updated - - - so if the settler Gestapo keeps the farmer from reaching his land for 10 years, he should lose it? wow, talk about supporting theft!!!!
I just qouted what you wrote to me, not cherry picking, probably ignoring your own claims is ok with you. Do you have proof which shows that the IDF didnt allow Arabs to enter this property for 10 years? because in the article shows that it was only one time. after 10 years.
you need to read more: "The guard at Mitzpe Yishai announced that "it is forbidden to allow Arabs in" to the lands abutting the neighborhood" - - - Updated - - - you KNOW I never said they can't marry. I said they can't bring their spouse to Israel. so stop being dishonest about my comments.
It doesnt mention that the guard of Mitzpe Yishai did it for the past 10 years, it mentions only one time, after the Arabs return to the land AFTER 10 yearsm and accordign to the law covering the West Bank it just needs 3 years for not cultivate the land, that land becomes state land. Look at your comment number 313, here is the part we are refering: Here is the link to that comment: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=381029&page=32&p=1064448829#post1064448829 Stop denying things you wrote, please, it deosnt make you look good.
