The Jews as "God's Chosen." What, exactly, does it mean?

Hashemite, control the mount.

That dont make a jew, a jew.

That is like saying charles manson is a christian

and raised a christian????

you're funny!

 

No, she raised Christ.

(allegedly)

 

She? You mean the black madonna?

 

Jesus of Nazareth wasn't a Christian.

you have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue what you're talking about. none whatsoever.

 

Jesus plainly stated that his listeners now had to follow his rules and not the old rules. His actions and deeds in the rest of the story clearly show that. About the only old ritual that he followed was the passover ritual. Baptism was a new ritual, imported from India. In the Old Testament men with defective sexual organs couldn't approach the altar. In the New Testament Jesus recommended that men become eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

 

Would you kindly reference what chapter and verse you refer.
Hopefully not Paul.

Moi

 

jews dont believe jesus is messiah and christians dont believe they have to be responsible for their actions, because their messiah already forgave them.

Christianity is no more jewish, than isla

Not true.This is a misconception put by antichristians. This was a sect which was rejected by Christianity at the very beginning and still is.

 

Yeshua(his real name) was a Ju, from the tribe of Judah. Where that nickname comes from in the first place.

But he was never "Jew-ish" and he never formed a sect "Jew-ish" sect called Christianity. Those were the Ashkenazi Europeans worshipping terms to worship Christ, the man, and ran with that title of "Christianity"..when there is no such religion. that's blasphemy and the Israeli's know it.

 

what sect?

protestant is rejected by christians

catholicism is rejested by christians

Personal responsibility is rejected by christians

Jesus is rejected by christians

What is your point?

 

Start with Matthew 7:24-27 = http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%207:24-27&version=CJB;CEV;NKJV;MSG;CEB

 

sorry bro, Jesus was a Jew.

 

Briefly.

Iranaeus (Against heresies) and Clement of Alexander (Miscellanies) both name Nicolas, a Jewish proselyte and convert to Christianity as leader/founder of a sect we call Nicolaitans. Hippolytus agrees. Gradually Nicolas beliefs turned to Gnosticism where what one did in the flesh was of no consequence. Spiritual life and salvation were of the spirit and occured in the soul, so what one did in the body was of no consequence.

This was rejected by the Early Church.

 

WOW,this piece of God nuttery,takes the cake.

Well done you stand out in the God Nut crowd!

Just when you thought that God couldn't get more loony ?

Its a Miricle you can remember how to tie shoe lace's each morning with such a closed mind.

PS Jesus was a proud JEW!

Never a Christian .

 

Ashkenazi 'Europeans'. If you mean the Jews they did not move to Germany/Europe until around the 7th cent CE. By this time Christianity had been in existence 700 years, and the term Christian was first used at Antioch. This has been recorded in the Bible since it first came into being, proved by early copies of the Bible.

Whether the Israeli's believe 'Christianity' it is nevertheless a religious belief. Not only it could be said that the Israelis claim to be Gods people is only because they wrote it in their History. The OT.

 

Been through this passage and Jesus recommends no such thing. Also many contend that Jesus was speaking allegorically by using a colloquial term = cut off.
Further Jesus does not say to his disciples "cut your willies off if you want to follow me"

The context of the verse was in relation to divorce. The disciples had asked a question stating "perhaps it is better not to marry".

Jesus's answer if some want to cut themselves off from marriage, let them do so.

As far as OT law. Jesus upholds OT law in the Sermon on the mount. The vast majority of Matt is Jesus giving a works base formula for salvation.

 

Why do people still ask ridiculous questions that have been answered? Could they simply be trolling?

Jesus, who Christians see as The Christ, was born a Jew and likely a Pharasee in the 1st century. He was part of a large group of people hoping to Reform the corrupt Jews of the time.
He was not a Rabbi in the sense of Rabbis today. The role of the Rabbi didn't come into being until after the sacking of the Temple 40 years after Jesus died.

Choseness is a concept I, as a Jew, cannot accept as I don't believe that the Torah was God speaking to people but the thoughts and stories of a people seeking God. But the silliness of how so many view the chosen notion is amazing to me.

 

I disagree. Jesus gave over two dozen rules that he said people should follow if they didn't want to be fools. Those rules replaced the old Law. He clearly said so. His actions in the rest of the fairy tale also clearly show that he didn't observe the old Law. He made his own set of rules and convinced others to follow them. He did observe the passover ritual, which was about the only thing associated with the old Law that he followed. A careful reading of the Gospels will show that. That is something that you will have to do for yourself. Read it as if you are reading a legal contract and you will see the truth if you want to.

 

many of the "new" laws Jesus mentioned grew out of older Jewish teaching.

 

I don't care where they came from. Jesus developed a new set of rules that replaced the old Law. He didn't follow the old Law.

 

Of course he did.

 

I agree that Jesus did go against a few of the old Mosaic Laws. Stoning for adultery was one example and divorce was the another.

The vast majority of Jesus teachings are in keeping with Mosaic laws and the ten commandments in particular. In addition to these laws Jesus had other teachings such as helping the poor and forgiveness.

The salvation formula of Jesus was based on keeping these laws. Sermon on the mount (Matt 5) Parable of the sheep and goats (Matt 25) and in another passage where a fellow comes up to Jesus and asks how to enter the kingdom (Jesus replies, follow the 10 commandments)

Paul of course differs from Jesus and the Church of Jerusalem founded by the disciples with his (salvation by faith alone doctrine)

Paul had some interesting ideas but I do not put much stock in the idea that Paul knew much about Jesus because:

1) he never met the man, and Paul was an outsider who did not have much interaction with the disciples - kind of went his own way.
2) his salvation formulation contradicts that of Jesus and (James, brother of Jesus and leader of the Jerusalem Church spends a whole chapter condemning Paul's salvation by faith alone doctrine)
3) Paul writes almost half of the NT but we have almost nothing from Paul about the life or teachings of Jesus "Jesus said"
4) At the end of the day the Bible has been altered so much that we do not know what is authentic and what is not.

 

Jesus didn't follow the old Law and here are some of the reasons why he didn't:

Jesus and his disciples did work on the Sabbath. They should have been stoned to death for that.

Jesus engaged in a foreign ritual, baptism, a violation of the First Commandment.

Jesus ate unclean foods (or said that it was OK for others to eat such foods).

Jesus didn't honor his parents. He should have been stoned for that,

Jesus practiced witchcraft. That's a death sentence.

Jesus' prophecies did not come true during his lifetime. The Bible says that that's a sign of a false prophet.

Jesus was a vagabond who traveled from place to place with an armed gang. The Bible says that such a person is untrustworthy.

Jesus did not respect the temple.

Jesus told his followers to steal. He told them to take someone's donkey without asking for it beforehand nor did they pay for it.

Jesus was a self-described glutton and wine-bibber. He did swear off booze before he was crucified.

Jesus was described as a carpenter. In the Old Testament the word carpenter is used as someone who makes wooden idols. A lot of Christians carry crucifixes with a depiction of Jesus nailed to the wooden cross. That's idol worship.

 

Those are good points but you're ignoring the main fact, which is that Paul created the Jesus character and Christianity.

Paul was the first person to write about Jesus (the book of Galatians in 49 AD. Prior to that he had been preaching about Jesus since the 30s. Paul is the one who established the Christian doctrine and did the leg work converting people throughout the land. He sold the idea that one can gain eternal life if they believe in a zombie.

James, who was supposed to have been one of Jesus' brothers, hardly mentions Jesus at all. He added nothing except the idea that a person has to do works in addition to having faith in order to be "saved."

Paul's disciples wrote the Gospels around the time the Jews were revolting against Rome. Everything they knew about Jesus they had learned from Paul. They wrote the prequels to Paul's story, explaining where Jesus came from and some of his adventures. They also incorporated some of the acts of the main rebel Jewish leaders into the Jesus persona.

James was most likely a member of the Way cult that Paul, aka Saul, had been trying to exterminate.

When Paul met Peter and the other Apostles, who were also members of the Way, they didn't know Jesus from a fig tree. Paul is the one who converted them to his cult. In exchange, Paul stopped trying to kill them.

The Gospels were corrupted and written in such a way that a discerning reader can see that they were just a clever joke. All of the main points are in direct conflict with the Old Testament doctrine. But people willfully overlook all of that because they buy into the idea that they can somehow live forever by believing in a zombie. Paul suffered too many concussions fighting in the arenas. Other people are just eager to believe a lie if they can get something out of it (eternal life).

 

What exactly did they do, remember Jesus was also privy to the Oral Law which had much more flexibility.

Except the baptism was not what it is today, it was a form of Mikveh which is a Jewish tradition.

Where? Show me.

Really? How? Did you know that honoring one's parents was considered the hardest commandment to follow. In fact many people did it. Where does it say he should be stoned for it?

No Jesus performed miracles according to Christian tradition and objected to witchcraft. Again so did many other people in Jewish history.

Yes but that has nothing to do with whether he was a Jews.

Again there were many like him at the time all Jewish.

In fact he did, the money changer story proved that. What he didn't do was respect the hypocrites in the Temple hierarchy. Neither did about half the Jews of Jerusalem.

Hmmmmm and that makes him not Jewish how?

Show me where that is?

Actually the word carpenter in the Bible means.....carpenters. Wood carvers made idols, carpenters built buildings. Unless you know more Hebrew and Aramaic than I do.... do you think you do?

 

I gave a list of reasons why Jesus didn't follow the old Law. You disagree. Since Jesus wasn't real it doesn't matter.