The Jews as "God's Chosen." What, exactly, does it mean?

I am not convinced that Jesus was purely fictional. There were many messianic leaders in the first century. Simon of Peraea, who came before Jesus, was also killed by Romans and his followers believed that he was resurrected 3 days later.

The writings we have by James are very small. James 2 seems a simple letter written to debunk the salvation by faith alone debate.

Given that the Catholics deliberately destroyed everything that they disagreed with, there may well have been more writing about James.

In reality we do not have anything directly from the disciples as none wrote anything down. All that we have on Jesus was passed down through oral tradition and was written down later.

I would agree with your premise if all we had was luke/acts but this is not the case. Luke and Matt used Mark as s source document and another unknown document called Q.

Luke/Acts was written after the temple destruction decades after Paul's death. We need to keep I mind that there was a big schism between the Church of Jerusalem (Judeo Christians) and the Gentile Christian group that Paul created.

Matt followed by Mark followed by John get nastier towards the Jews in that sequence. My take is that as these Churches grew apart there were some that wanted to fuse the traditions of both, or at least the Gentile church wanted some of the stuff from the Jerusalem Church. This is likely the source material for Mark which is then used to create Matt and Luke.

We will likely never know as the Judeo Christian Church died out (Persecuted to death by the Pauline gentile Christians in the end.)

 

According to this site http://carm.org/when-was-bible-written-and-who-wrote-it Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written around the same time Paul is credited with writing some of his books. John is written much later.

I don't recall if anyone has ever cited a link that indicates that the Catholic church has an early Bible, say from the year 200 AD or earlier.

 

The formal title 'Rabbi', I agree, was adopted as you say, but as the term used in the Gospels - Rabbi/teacher - is concerned, this surely goes back many centuries. There were 'teachers' almost from the very beginning of Hebrew history.
It is believed that Samuel had a 'school/college' of prophets at Naioth in Ramah.

Genesis 18:19 gives the principle
Deut. 6:7 Parental responsibility for teaching
Lev. 10:10-11 Levitical responsibilities.

You 'choseness' I agree with. But then I'm not a Jew.

 

Not in the sense you're thinking of. He's from the TRIBE OF JUDAH. hense the term "Ju". Ashkenazi came with the wicked spelling of "Jew" not knowing how to spell it from the beginnig. #Fail.

 

Look what 'church' has done to mankind.

Apparently what they did and believed, didnt work.

And now, we have you as evidence of how bad it still is.

 

He basically did not agree with 'jewish' 'choseness'.

And keep in mind that it is the 'parental' bs and misleading, that ruins the children. ie.... most atheist are evolved theist

 

jesus brought the injil (new testament)

basically 6 commands mark 10;19...... (no homage)

and that each are capable to forgive (turn da utter cheek). What that means, is even when 'we' are imposed upon, to forgive means that you do not let what others do to you, cause you to do a negative action. kind of like, if your car is broken into today, do you lock it tomorrow.

And jesus, supported 'the days', which is what you live in.

 

This just doesn't make any sense at all since Judah is the anglicanized form of Y'hudah which was not spelled with English letters and yet the term Yehudim (Jews) was around and used by Ashkenazim for many years. The term Jew comes about in English which was no spoken by the Ashkenazim until well into the the 20th century.

 

You made my point perfectly. the term "Jew" is a made up term. It's not of the Tribes of Israel. the Ashkenazi are not "Ju's" if they were, they would be from the Tribe of Judah(Y'hudah), which they are not.

They are not from any of the 12 Tribes of Israel. they are from their fathers tribes of Esau and Amalek.

 

great post

There is no such thing as a bloodline of 'jew'. Jew is a religious adherant of judaism. No one is born a religious adherant.

 

Jew= Yehudi= "person of Judah"

 

I believe there may be a secular and temporal exigency on Earth, that may benefit from distinguishing between civil Persons of the "tribe of Juda" and the "tribe of Israel".

 

Who knows whether they were from any of the 10 tribes of Israel or whatever outside tribe. The Assyrians and Babylonians conquered the Middle East at various times and more often than not dispersed their 'victims' throughout their Empires. This is what happened to the tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel and they were lost. Many Arabs were uprooted. The only Tribes we can be sure of are Judah, which includes Simeon, a small tribe. These were captives in Babylon, but Cyrus the Persian emperor allowed them back with a certain amount of liberty. Assyrian archaeology and Biblical History records note this.

 

no such thing as an israel prior to '48, unless you are observing the babbling of the selfish.

That's an understatement.

 

No offense intended but that site is owned by fundamentalist wing nuts and for fundamentalist wing nuts. You are neither a fundamentalist nor a wing nut so I suggest avoiding this site unless you are looking for material for religious jokes.

Here is a link to a really good documentary which includes commentary from Religious scholars who actually have objectivity and credentials. It has up to date information.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/

Here is another good site http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

There was no Bible in 200 AD and the Catholic "universal church" did not exist. Heck, the trinity did not even exist until Tertullian who came around that time. The Church at the time declared this doctrine heresy.

 

Descended from Judah or not, all citizens of The Hasmonean Kingdom and the Roman Province of Judaea were known as "Jews".

 

The Hebrews were divided into 2 Kingdoms - Israel 10 northern tribes, and Judah consisting of Judah and Simeon.

Therefore the Kingdom of Israel did exist before 1948. Some 3000 years before.

Of course this was a different Israel - but nevertheless Israel. Authenticated by Assyrian and Biblical archaeology.

Now as your posts are about as meaningful as my 2 years old greatgrandchilds conversation I leave you to post to your hearts content.

 

Extanct Early Bibles

Codex Sinaiticus - 4th century - British Library
Codex Vaticanus - 4th century - Vatican Library
Codex Alexandrinus - 5th century - British Library
Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus - 5th century - National Library of France.

Over 5500 early scraps, part copies of books and nearly complete gospels exist around the world. If you wish to see them all you will need a large passport, large bank balance and plenty of patience.

 

So they converted to being a person of judah?

I wish I could convert to being a New Yorker even though i never been there or anyone in my family as far as im aware, maybe i take a dna test to see if my ancestors went there once? what you say?

 

jew = who

We are all a who, if you just believe.

 

So someone could have written the Bible stories in the year 380. That's what the writers of the hadiths did. They just made them up hundreds of years after Mohammed supposedly died.

 

How about the story of 'god' telling adam not to eat from a tree?

Who was there to hear that?

I laugh to wonder, that if Moses got the 10 commandments from god on 2 stone tablets, what would make the guy go back to carry down the book of genesis? (he supposedly got the whole torah from mt sinai, but genesis alone, on stone tablets, would have taken almost forever for a man to carry off the mount)

 

what are you babbling about?

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Judah & Judea included people descended from Judah and the rest of the other Israelite people.

someone who studied this issue, would know that.

 

i made a point.

Anyone can be a jew.

Look at all the russians in israel that call themselves jew.

You have been studying the bible (book of genesis) to sustain your argument?

 

it was customary 2,000 years ago that when a nation or tribe was conquered by another people, they became part of that people.

people have become part of the Jewish people for thousands of years. this is nothing new.

people stopped converting to Judaism and joining the people of Judea only after the Christians made conversion to Judaism a crime.



....just as many of the people who today call themselves "Arabs" are not direct descendants of the Arabic tribes of th Arabian peninsula, not are they descendents of Ishmael.