The judicial nomination war started with Bork. Let’s end it with Gorsuch.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Not only is One Party Rule the only solution, it is preferred. Martin Van Buren is the one who advocated the two-party system in America, and in so doing divided the United States into voting blocs and disenfranchising the country's power. Countries can only be unified by a Central Power, it cannot be unified by a figurehead or a political organization.
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah...I can think of lots of world figures from history who would agree.

    Wanna hear some of the names?
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Well when you look at my sig and see that I actually learned from some of those names(my own willing choice btw), I really don't care. We're trapped into this two party system, it's a prison on America. It binds our potential and keeps us from reaching it.
     
  4. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm just stating reality.
    With Gorsuch, the court will be 4 Progressive Libs to 4 Conservative (protectors of the USC), with one slightly conservative justice.

    With Ginsberg soon on her way out, it will be 3 Progressives to 5 Conservatives, and 1 Conservative leaning.

    Kennedy and Breyer are both old and could retire or die at any moment.

    That would leave just the younger Progressives Sotomayor and the Lesbian.
     
  5. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Axe...the Republicans have got control of almost all the state houses and legislatures...the House of Representatives, the Senate, the White House...and you point out, the SCOTUS.

    And you are saying it is still going to take a long time to do anything.

    The problem is that Republicans do not know how to govern. They are clueless.

    They should turn the keys over to the Dems and just sit back and complain. That is the one thing they truly are good at.
     
  6. Blackbeard

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    I cannot agree, I do believe our two party system has merit and requires compromise. But, for the short term, while Trump is in office, I believe we need to reverse some courses and policies implemented by the Community Organizer and drain the swamp in Washington DC. To do this, you'll have to expunge current Democrat Leadership. And the way you do that, is place them firmly in the minority on both houses of Congress while Trump is President.
     
  7. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is what you have got.

    Now...let's see the Republican clowns do something with it.

    My bet...they do next to nothing.

    The Republicans do not know how to govern.
     
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    We're seeking filibuster proof Senate, Frank, we've not gotten there yet. Few more parades and embarrassing pussyhat presentations by you Democrats should put us over the top. Oh and.....is this yet another 'bet', Frank? Remember your last one that Hillary would win in a landslide, how did that wager go?
     
  9. hawgsalot

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    My god surely your not this naive, this works both ways every day. If you can't see that then god help your eyesight cause those Obama glasses have gotten way to dark.
     
  10. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What clowns need to govern...is absolute control. The Republicans do not need just a filibuster proof Senate...because they could too easily screw that up.

    They need 95 or more Senators...and about 400 in the House. And I would not be surprised if they'd screw even that margin up.



    Okay...show me the bet I made on the outcome of the election.

    (Hint: Don't even try. You won't find it.)
     
  11. AmericanNationalist

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    Two parties has forced us into a mentality of flipping back and forth, a bipolar Nation in effect and thus our bipolarity have weakened our solidarity. Not only this, but the contest for political power ended up turning government from its sworn mission to ensuring the domestic livelihood of its people into instead a self-serving organization.

    The two party system is only effective if the two parties work together to a common aim, but seeing as there is no 'logical' reason compelling this, there's no real reason to keep the two party system. It failed us, it should've been obvious why it failed. Van Buren believed that the One State would be divided along secular lines, but the great irony is that the two party system secured it. But the One State would prevent that.
     
  12. hawgsalot

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    Oh good grief the 2 party system works because you don't see radical change. America is the greatest country on earth period and it's not even remotely close. It's great because it was fonded on solid democratic principles. The two party system makes it hard to change those principles, which is the exact reason America is the greatest country on earth.
     
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    Oh but, we do want and need a filibuster proof Senate. We've already the House, indeed, ever since 2010 and you Democrats keep voting Pelosi right back up there, she's a three time loser. With her still there and the fact that she's one of the most vile and disliked Democrats will hopefully flush any hopes you have of taking the House in 2018 down the commode. We've already the vast number of Governor's Chairs and State houses. We're close to a filibuster proof Senate, we're about to seat a judge you thought Obama would sit......we're trying to do nothing less than politically destroy the far left wing of the Democrat Party. Our only management confusions being we didn't know you'd be helping us, I think Republicans look to these lunatic protests and people wearing a vagina for a hat and don't quite know how to take that.

    Frank......tell me what you thought would happen last Nov 8th...is my point. You don't seem to grasp the obvious even when it seems it took a shat in your front yard. You've been crying horrible and deplorable. Unfit, can't govern. Clown and an orange one at that.....and you lost. You didn't have a message or a platform......and it cost you. Likewise, your arguments here....have no platform, no foundation. You rage and whine. You name and label. You insult and re-insult.....it's gotten you nowhere. That tactic loses your election for you. It implodes in your face here on a public forum......have you considered changing tactic?
     
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    Come now. We've been through Civil War. World War. Depression. Recession. I'm not saying it's perfect.
     
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    I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks we have anything close to a "conservative" or "constitutionally restrained" Supreme Court. In two of the most recent landmark decisions; the unconstitutional imposition of ObamaCare, and the unconstitutional imposition of gay marriage; both went the way of the left; brought about by the votes of Roberts and Kennedy. Now with Scalia gone, only Alito and Thomas can be counted upon to rule correctly on any future landmark cases.

    It make take 4 to 8 years before we can implement a Supreme Court grounded upon the constitution it swears to uphold.
     
  16. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For those of you who do not speak American conservative...allow me to translate Pol's post here:

    The only votes that are "constitutional" are votes that favor the American conservative agenda. Screw the Constitution.
     
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    Funny thing to say when Clinton got 3 million more votes.

    But winds of politics sometimes change rapidly.

    As I said, what goes around comes around.
     
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    Funny they're so popular when they've been voted out in every branch of government.

    But sure, we can get em a "try harder" trophy. I'm sure the mental prowess of Pelosi and Waters will lead them on to victory.
     
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    In the Federal Election they won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college because the left has a much harder time then the right getting out the vote.

    In the Mid-Term elections they won the popular vote but lost the house because they got caught with their pants down during the redistricting process back in 2010.

    Basically the right loses when it comes to down to the people, but win when it comes down to the system.

    And don't be forgetting how the Right is acting almost EXACTLY like the left did back in 08. The pendulum always swings back the other way.
     
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    The reasons are a matter of conjecture and opinion.

    It's not like one side plays nomination games. Look at how California decided to try and keep Republicans out of power.

    We had a popular vote in every state. Democrats lost that popular vote. They lost seats from POTUS all the way down to governor, and have been losing since 2008.

    And no, we're not acting like leftists. The right wasn't rioting and acting like idiots, screaming and crying and assaulting people.
     
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    I'm GOP and for most of their agenda.
    Trump is waiting for Gorsuch to get on the Supreme Court next month----then there will be enough sure votes to stop the silliness and meddling from Activist Judges in Lower Courts.

    1 more month! :cheerleader:
     
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    So liberal judges can rewrite the Constitution from the bench?
     
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    I never said it's just one side playing games, I said that one side caught the other unaware.

    And no, your not rioting, though there were many marchs, many burned effigies, lots of old school cos-play and entire campaigns intended to delegitimize Obama (birth cert for one), and the Dems ate it up and acted like they were on top, until they came crashing down. The Rs have every opportunity to do the same, and then what? What will you say should the Dems catch up and overtake you again (like the cycle has gone round and round for decades)

    It's a game, and the Dems were playing on one field, and the Rs another. The Dems just need to get to that same field and I'll bet they catch up.
     
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    This from a guy who thinks Federal judges are elected. ^
     
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    Only time will tell that tale. Your guess is as good as mine.

    As far as right wing marches, the places were cleaner after the march than they were before.
     

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